Elbow contact above the shoulders.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Elbow moving at the same speed MAY also be Intentional...if the offensive player knows they are there and pivots and puts that elbow on the face anyway, you could certainly call that Int.

That is what I have based on the OP...elbows extended and twisting rapidly. That is an intentional foul.

[egj13]

I am going to bet that we see a rewording or clarification in next year's rule book.

I had a play like the OP on Saturday night. Kid rebounds, swings the ball from one side to the other but catches the defender in the chin so I whistle an intentional foul. Neither coach had an issue with it...I think it has been explained pretty well in our part of Montana. If an elbow hits a defender above the shoulders it is at a minimum an intentional.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by egj13

I am going to bet that we see a rewording or clarification in next year's rule book.

I had a play like the OP on Saturday night. Kid rebounds, swings the ball from one side to the other but catches the defender in the chin so I whistle an intentional foul. Neither coach had an issue with it...I think it has been explained pretty well in our part of Montana. If an elbow hits a defender above the shoulders it is at a minimum an intentional.

Part of the problem this is really not a rules change, it is a POE interpretation. And when they tend to make interpretation positions without changing the actual rule, these issues keep coming up. At least that is the way I see it.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Make interpretation positions (point of emphasis) without changing the actual rule.

Bingo. There was no change in the wording in the definition of intentional foul in Rule 4.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by egj13

I am going to bet that we see a rewording or clarification in next year's rule book.

Yeah? Sure. Right after they clean up the team control throwin backcourt exception rule.