BOOM goes the dynamite!

And only 12,000 more to go!

Yeah —*I know what pejorative means :)

"having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force"

Do we really belittle officials who use the term "end line"?

I guess I am one of the nice ones :)

I gave one part of the meaning, you gave the other (Just like a lot of words in a dictionary). And no we do not belittle anyone with the term "base line", but people do see that as a negative or incorrect usage of the actual definition or the word used in the rulebook. At least they are often treated that way.

Peace

Does it really matter if someone says baseline instead of endline? Don't we still know exactly what they are talking about?

Then they are not "over" are they. "Over" is fine if you define it as all the way over.

We do? I certainly don't. There are a lot of things I'd worry about before I bother correcting someone on endline vs. baseline.

For that matter, I probably say baseline a good part of the time. And you know what, I'll keep saying it because everyone knows exactly what it means with no confusion. There are certain "non-official" phrases or words that are just fine and express exactly the same as their "official" counterpart. Over-and-back is one of them too. It precisely describes the call just as well, if not better, than backcourt violation.

BTW, "Over and Back" is the description of the signal (Signal #22) used when a backcourt violation takes place.

So the term is used in the rulebook. ;)

Peace

Over the back is a term that has worked its way into the vernacular of the game. If someone says it to you, you know what it means. It is probably best for your semantic choices to be consistent with using "rulebook verbiage." This means using similar terms as are in the rulebook with the hope that coaches are on the same page (reading the rules) and will speak the same language and terms.

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. :)

Actually we do not know what they mean if you are applying the rules. Or at least what they are suggesting is not rules based. There is nothing in the rules that is special about the back. Just like a coach might say, "Well he had inside position right?" None of those things have rules backing and can be confusing or if we called it correctly we would not apply the actual rules. Fouls are about displacement and someone out jumping even on your back does not mean it is a foul and often coaches, players and fans thinks these are fouls simply because a player out jumps them from behind.

I had a game last night where a couple of the kids were 6'8" or bigger and their opponent might not have had a 6'3" player and every time the bigger kids out jumped someone, you would hear a cry for a foul. No displacement, hardly any contact at all but it does not stop them saying, "Over the back." I think as officials we should not feed into that ignorance.

Peace

A fine moment for our country and its beloved horndog-in-chief. :D

This is 100% accurate. I've seen SO many reports from coaches (that are submitted through our software) ... it's always about something the official said, his attitude, or something along those lines.

Do coaches get upset about calls? Sure... but they get much more bothered by the perceived attitude of officials. A lot of times what comes out of our mouths doesn't help matters!

My favorite pre-game brag was the following:

Was working at Sam Houston and the R on the crew said something to the effect of, "You'll have to excuse me guys if my stuff is a little stinky — been on the road for 3-4 days."

The official then went on to detail which games he had just worked — big schools!

I guess he didn't realize it at the time, but those conferences used BlueZebra Sports for their assigning. Did a quick search on him when I got home.

He did not work any of those games.

Coaches think we are at their beck and call for all kinds of things and if we do not stop everything to talk to them then we are bad officials. I put little stock in what reports say when often coaches have unreasonable positions about what officials are supposed to do for them. Thank God I work for a lot of people that seem to understand that fact and pretty much know who their coaches are and deal with them appropriately. A lot of times if there is a problem, we hear nothing about it from our supervisors.

Peace

Rut, if you are as diplomatic on the court as you are on the forum, we all know you don't have any problems! :)