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JRutledge Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:10pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 870728)
My call?

Not a very good videographer.

I could not figure out what the hell was going on with the video. I thought it was just my feed of the video at first.

Peace

stiffler3492 Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:14pm

I'm sure the videography was fine...The editing needs some work...

ODog Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:04am

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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870743)
If it is, I see an over and back

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

Camron Rust Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:30am

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Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870743)
Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 870821)
Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 08, 2013 05:30am

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Tio Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:18am

Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

tjones1 Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:19am

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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870847)
Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

It is not the division line.

BillyMac Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:33am

A Line In The Sand ...
 
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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870847)
he crosses a line, but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 870848)
It is not the division line.

Catholic middle school game a few weeks ago. I called a backcourt violation that I later discovered, by talking to the coach, and the fans, was not a backcourt violation because the line I used to make the call was a volleyball line. My partner, the lead, couldn't help me out. Stupid volleyball lines.

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:12am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870822)
That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:24am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870856)
I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:31am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870862)
I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870863)
I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

I am not talking about an official exactly, just saying that if a coach or player said that you would not be totally confused as to what they were asking or describing. Over the back on the other hand has a misunderstanding of what the rule is or what actually took place.

Peace

bob jenkins Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:45am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870862)
I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I don't think using "baseline" instead of "endline" etc. is perjorative.

And, I'd be unlikley to correct a coach who asked me about "over the back."

But, I do think that officials should strive for correct terminology especially in written form. A post *only* to point out the error might be perjorative, but if it's in conjunction with the correct ruling, ...

OKREF Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:50am

Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:53am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870876)
Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Just about the worst possible thing an official could say to a coach in that situation, IMO.


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