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My call...why the heck did they freeze the real-speed video at the moment the shot was taken??? :confused:
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Looks like a travel on my mobile device screen. Was it a travel that was called?
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My call?
Not a very good videographer. |
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He travelled before shooting. Apparently that was the call as the red players are clapping at the end of the video.
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He must have also missed. One of the redshirts wound up with the ball out away from the basket. Was something weird actually called, as opposed to the very obvious travel? Or was this posted on youtube by a follower of the losing team who had some kind of issue. I see no one bothered to comment on youtube.
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More than likely this. I said travel without thought but thought maybe I missed something. Good call, imo. |
Illegal hangtime. 10 yards. Loss of down. Turnover on downs.
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Not there is anything wrong with that. :D |
Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back
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That is one of the lines for the volleyball court. And I seriously cannot understand how anyone can have a problem with a travel call on this play...even a home team fan. Good grief. |
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I'm sure the videography was fine...The editing needs some work...
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Bad angle, not enough view.
He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation. |
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A Line In The Sand ...
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And, I'd be unlikley to correct a coach who asked me about "over the back." But, I do think that officials should strive for correct terminology especially in written form. A post *only* to point out the error might be perjorative, but if it's in conjunction with the correct ruling, ... |
Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.
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He said during a high school game. Be calls some D 2 & 3.
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Most assigners I deal with say their biggest problem is dealing with things officials say to coaches. Therefore, most assigners will tell you: "you can't quote silence."
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This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really? |
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Yes, as an official you are responsible for knowing the gym (and rules) you are in that night. I never bring up my schedule because nothing good can come of it. When you work a HS game, you are a HS ref. When you work a NCAA game, you are an NCAA ref.
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Please Don't Say It ...
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And honestly I call the game the same at least when it comes to judgments. The rules are very easy to know IMO too at the college level. Peace |
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I don't know if I remember many people using "travelling" ... of course, we do things different down in Texas ... on technical fouls sometimes we add, "YeeHaw!!!" |
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Pejorative means a negative connotation or usage. Officials obviously think certain words are negative in nature as it relates to officiating language and why we often argue on this site over things like these terms.
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And only 12,000 more to go! |
Yeah —*I know what pejorative means :)
"having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force" Do we really belittle officials who use the term "end line"? I guess I am one of the nice ones :) |
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Does it really matter if someone says baseline instead of endline? Don't we still know exactly what they are talking about?
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We do? I certainly don't. There are a lot of things I'd worry about before I bother correcting someone on endline vs. baseline. For that matter, I probably say baseline a good part of the time. And you know what, I'll keep saying it because everyone knows exactly what it means with no confusion. There are certain "non-official" phrases or words that are just fine and express exactly the same as their "official" counterpart. Over-and-back is one of them too. It precisely describes the call just as well, if not better, than backcourt violation. |
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So the term is used in the rulebook. ;) Peace |
Over the back is a term that has worked its way into the vernacular of the game. If someone says it to you, you know what it means. It is probably best for your semantic choices to be consistent with using "rulebook verbiage." This means using similar terms as are in the rulebook with the hope that coaches are on the same page (reading the rules) and will speak the same language and terms.
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I had a game last night where a couple of the kids were 6'8" or bigger and their opponent might not have had a 6'3" player and every time the bigger kids out jumped someone, you would hear a cry for a foul. No displacement, hardly any contact at all but it does not stop them saying, "Over the back." I think as officials we should not feed into that ignorance. Peace |
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Do coaches get upset about calls? Sure... but they get much more bothered by the perceived attitude of officials. A lot of times what comes out of our mouths doesn't help matters! |
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Was working at Sam Houston and the R on the crew said something to the effect of, "You'll have to excuse me guys if my stuff is a little stinky — been on the road for 3-4 days." The official then went on to detail which games he had just worked — big schools! I guess he didn't realize it at the time, but those conferences used BlueZebra Sports for their assigning. Did a quick search on him when I got home. He did not work any of those games. |
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You know I am just giving you a hard time ... you were very likable when we worked at camp together 4-5 years ago (or whenever that was)
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OK. I take your word for it. I went to Dale's camp several times and met a couple of people there that said they were from the board. That was the only time I attended the Denton camp.
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Never understood why anyone cared where someone worked before of if that comes up. That kind of conversation is common. Almost ever college game I work I am with a D1 guy and I am already aware of where they have been working. Peace |
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You're right that it isn't most people —*just a few. |
I do not disagree Brad, but there are people in this business (and that is all I want to focus on) where we talk "shop." Your schedule or experience tends to come up. Now if someone is making a suggestive comment like was stated I agree. The reality here with working college ball myself and working with guys that actually work D1, I usually already know as well as others know who they are working with. Especially at the college ranks, we have either worked with those guys at camp or they were clinicians at camps we attended. I have worked with multiple people officials that were clinicians at D1 or lower level camps that I have attended as a camper. Not many easily pulling the wool over our eyes or able to make a suggesting that they were somewhere and we had to look it up on a website. We already know before we get in the locker room. Heck we can figure that out if you attend the NCAA meetings or attend the required staff meeting.
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