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tjones1 Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:18pm

You Make The Call
 
Taylorville vs. Charleston - YouTube

Your call?

JetMetFan Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:21pm

My call...why the heck did they freeze the real-speed video at the moment the shot was taken??? :confused:

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:27pm

Looks like a travel on my mobile device screen. Was it a travel that was called?

Raymond Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:30pm

My call?

Not a very good videographer.

stiffler3492 Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 870727)
Looks like a travel on my mobile device screen. Was it a travel that was called?

I agree with the travel. Can't tell what was called though.

Raymond Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:38pm

He travelled before shooting. Apparently that was the call as the red players are clapping at the end of the video.

just another ref Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:47pm

He must have also missed. One of the redshirts wound up with the ball out away from the basket. Was something weird actually called, as opposed to the very obvious travel? Or was this posted on youtube by a follower of the losing team who had some kind of issue. I see no one bothered to comment on youtube.

OKREF Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:51pm

Travel

tjones1 Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 870735)
He must have also missed. One of the redshirts wound up with the ball out away from the basket. Was something weird actually called, as opposed to the very obvious travel? Or was this posted on youtube by a follower of the losing team who had some kind of issue. I see no one bothered to comment on youtube.

JAR,

More than likely this.

I said travel without thought but thought maybe I missed something.

Good call, imo.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:29pm

Illegal hangtime. 10 yards. Loss of down. Turnover on downs.

Raymond Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 870737)
JAR,

More than likely this.

I said travel without thought but thought maybe I missed something.

Good call, imo.

Hmmm, "mediumturquoise".

Not there is anything wrong with that. :D

egj13 Mon Jan 07, 2013 05:01pm

Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

rockyroad Mon Jan 07, 2013 05:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870743)
Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

No.

That is one of the lines for the volleyball court.

And I seriously cannot understand how anyone can have a problem with a travel call on this play...even a home team fan. Good grief.

tjones1 Mon Jan 07, 2013 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 870747)
No.

That is one of the lines for the volleyball court.

And I seriously cannot understand how anyone can have a problem with a travel call on this play...even a home team fan. Good grief.

Hell'uva move... if you can get away with it! ;)

Brad Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 870728)
My call?

Not a very good videographer.

Seriously ... it's like watching an episode of COPS during a chase scene.

JRutledge Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 870728)
My call?

Not a very good videographer.

I could not figure out what the hell was going on with the video. I thought it was just my feed of the video at first.

Peace

stiffler3492 Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:14pm

I'm sure the videography was fine...The editing needs some work...

ODog Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870743)
If it is, I see an over and back

Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

Camron Rust Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by egj13 (Post 870743)
Is that the division line that he crosses once he catches it and before he shoots? If it is I see an over and back

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODog (Post 870821)
Uh oh, you won't find that one in the rules book.

That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 08, 2013 05:30am

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Tio Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:18am

Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

tjones1 Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870847)
Bad angle, not enough view.

He does travel when he attempts to gather his shot. Also, he crosses a line... but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

It is not the division line.

BillyMac Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:33am

A Line In The Sand ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870847)
he crosses a line, but I have no idea if it is the division line. If so, it would be a backcourt violation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 870848)
It is not the division line.

Catholic middle school game a few weeks ago. I called a backcourt violation that I later discovered, by talking to the coach, and the fans, was not a backcourt violation because the line I used to make the call was a volleyball line. My partner, the lead, couldn't help me out. Stupid volleyball lines.

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870822)
That's funny, it is in my book. Over "the" back isn't, but over and back is. It may not be called that exactly (it's a backcourt violation), but there is nothing wrong with calling it over and back. It accurately describes the situation.

I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870856)
I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870862)
I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870863)
I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

I am not talking about an official exactly, just saying that if a coach or player said that you would not be totally confused as to what they were asking or describing. Over the back on the other hand has a misunderstanding of what the rule is or what actually took place.

Peace

bob jenkins Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870862)
I have no problem with pejorative comments when they describe the actual rulebook action. Who cares if you call it the end line or base line if the meaning is obvious. Over the back describes a situation that is not even remotely rules based. Over and back does. Just like people say "walk" instead of traveling.

Peace

I don't think using "baseline" instead of "endline" etc. is perjorative.

And, I'd be unlikley to correct a coach who asked me about "over the back."

But, I do think that officials should strive for correct terminology especially in written form. A post *only* to point out the error might be perjorative, but if it's in conjunction with the correct ruling, ...

OKREF Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:50am

Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870876)
Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Just about the worst possible thing an official could say to a coach in that situation, IMO.

OKREF Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870877)
Just about the worst possible thing an official could say to a coach in that situation, IMO.

I didn't say it. I heard it from a college ref.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870878)
I didn't say it. I heard it from a college ref.

It's a good saying to teach about how it should be called, and some college officials can get away with saying stuff to coaches that might cause problems for others. I would be very unlikely to say that to a coach during a game.

OKREF Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:12pm

He said during a high school game. Be calls some D 2 & 3.

tjones1 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:27pm

Most assigners I deal with say their biggest problem is dealing with things officials say to coaches. Therefore, most assigners will tell you: "you can't quote silence."

tomegun Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870883)
He said during a high school game. Be calls some D 2 & 3.

Totally off the subject, but someone once told me this and I agree: an official is whatever he/she does the most of. If the official you are referring to does mostly high school basketball...he is a high school ref.

This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really?

tjones1 Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 870899)
Totally off the subject, but someone once told me this and I agree: an official is whatever he/she does the most of. If the official you are referring to does mostly high school basketball...he is a high school ref.

This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really?

I don't understand that either. Work two rule sets... know two rule sets. Simple enough.

Adam Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 870899)
Totally off the subject, but someone once told me this and I agree: an official is whatever he/she does the most of. If the official you are referring to does mostly high school basketball...he is a high school ref.

This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really?

Love the humble brag.

Tio Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:01pm

Yes, as an official you are responsible for knowing the gym (and rules) you are in that night. I never bring up my schedule because nothing good can come of it. When you work a HS game, you are a HS ref. When you work a NCAA game, you are an NCAA ref.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 870904)
Love the humble brag.


BillyMac Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:03pm

Please Don't Say It ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870909)
When you work a HS game, you are a HS ref. When you work a NCAA game, you are an NCAA ref.

... and when I work a Catholic middle school game, I'm a ... Heh? Wait a minute?

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 870899)
Totally off the subject, but someone once told me this and I agree: an official is whatever he/she does the most of. If the official you are referring to does mostly high school basketball...he is a high school ref.

This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really?

In my experience it is more about if you are on a staff or if you were hired to work conference games than if you work more. At least around here that can be exposed very easily when someone starts talking like they work "college" and no one knows them or has worked with them. Kind of a closed community much more than on the high school side.

And honestly I call the game the same at least when it comes to judgments. The rules are very easy to know IMO too at the college level.

Peace

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870856)
I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.

I think that part of the reasoning behind being a little nit-picky on the terminology is that "over and back" is not necessarily a backcourt violation. In bringing the ball to the frontcourt, you can be part of the way across (over) and then return to the backcourt (and back) —*and it is not a violation.

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870863)
I never say walk. Why would an official ever?

I always have ... one syllable ... a lot easier than saying "travelling".

I don't know if I remember many people using "travelling" ... of course, we do things different down in Texas ... on technical fouls sometimes we add, "YeeHaw!!!"

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:34pm

perjorative

http://f.cl.ly/items/2i05143e1o153x0...33:43%20PM.png

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870877)

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 870876)
Yes coach he was over the back. When he gets on the back I will call it.

Just about the worst possible thing an official could say to a coach in that situation, IMO.

Completely disagree. The worst possible thing an official could say is, "Yeah, well I saw your wife last night ... she was ON her back!! BOOM!!!!"

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:52pm

Pejorative means a negative connotation or usage. Officials obviously think certain words are negative in nature as it relates to officiating language and why we often argue on this site over things like these terms.

Peace

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870920)
Completely disagree. The worst possible thing an official could say is, "Yeah, well I saw your wife last night ... she was ON her back!! BOOM!!!!"

BOOM goes the dynamite!

And only 12,000 more to go!

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 01:58pm

Yeah —*I know what pejorative means :)

"having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force"

Do we really belittle officials who use the term "end line"?

I guess I am one of the nice ones :)

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870933)
Yeah —*I know what pejorative means :)

"having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force"

Do we really belittle officials who use the term "end line"?

I guess I am one of the nice ones :)

I gave one part of the meaning, you gave the other (Just like a lot of words in a dictionary). And no we do not belittle anyone with the term "base line", but people do see that as a negative or incorrect usage of the actual definition or the word used in the rulebook. At least they are often treated that way.

Peace

OKREF Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:04pm

Does it really matter if someone says baseline instead of endline? Don't we still know exactly what they are talking about?

Camron Rust Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870917)
I think that part of the reasoning behind being a little nit-picky on the terminology is that "over and back" is not necessarily a backcourt violation. In bringing the ball to the frontcourt, you can be part of the way across (over) and then return to the backcourt (and back) —*and it is not a violation.

Then they are not "over" are they. "Over" is fine if you define it as all the way over.

Camron Rust Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 870856)
I disagree with you. For all the crap we've given people for saying "baseline" instead of "end line", we can get this one right, too. It's a backcourt violation. Period.


We do? I certainly don't. There are a lot of things I'd worry about before I bother correcting someone on endline vs. baseline.

For that matter, I probably say baseline a good part of the time. And you know what, I'll keep saying it because everyone knows exactly what it means with no confusion. There are certain "non-official" phrases or words that are just fine and express exactly the same as their "official" counterpart. Over-and-back is one of them too. It precisely describes the call just as well, if not better, than backcourt violation.

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870947)
Over-and-back is one of them too. It precisely describes the call just as well, if not better, than backcourt violation.

BTW, "Over and Back" is the description of the signal (Signal #22) used when a backcourt violation takes place.

So the term is used in the rulebook. ;)

Peace

Tio Tue Jan 08, 2013 02:53pm

Over the back is a term that has worked its way into the vernacular of the game. If someone says it to you, you know what it means. It is probably best for your semantic choices to be consistent with using "rulebook verbiage." This means using similar terms as are in the rulebook with the hope that coaches are on the same page (reading the rules) and will speak the same language and terms.

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870941)
Then they are not "over" are they. "Over" is fine if you define it as all the way over.

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. :)

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 03:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 870961)
Over the back is a term that has worked its way into the vernacular of the game. If someone says it to you, you know what it means. It is probably best for your semantic choices to be consistent with using "rulebook verbiage." This means using similar terms as are in the rulebook with the hope that coaches are on the same page (reading the rules) and will speak the same language and terms.

Actually we do not know what they mean if you are applying the rules. Or at least what they are suggesting is not rules based. There is nothing in the rules that is special about the back. Just like a coach might say, "Well he had inside position right?" None of those things have rules backing and can be confusing or if we called it correctly we would not apply the actual rules. Fouls are about displacement and someone out jumping even on your back does not mean it is a foul and often coaches, players and fans thinks these are fouls simply because a player out jumps them from behind.

I had a game last night where a couple of the kids were 6'8" or bigger and their opponent might not have had a 6'3" player and every time the bigger kids out jumped someone, you would hear a cry for a foul. No displacement, hardly any contact at all but it does not stop them saying, "Over the back." I think as officials we should not feed into that ignorance.

Peace

Rich Tue Jan 08, 2013 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870963)
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. :)

A fine moment for our country and its beloved horndog-in-chief. :D

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 870892)
Most assigners I deal with say their biggest problem is dealing with things officials say to coaches.

This is 100% accurate. I've seen SO many reports from coaches (that are submitted through our software) ... it's always about something the official said, his attitude, or something along those lines.

Do coaches get upset about calls? Sure... but they get much more bothered by the perceived attitude of officials. A lot of times what comes out of our mouths doesn't help matters!

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 870899)
This may be just the officials I have dealt with, but it cracks me up when someone has 5 college games and says something like, "You may have to help me with an interpretation if I try to use a college rule". Really?

My favorite pre-game brag was the following:

Was working at Sam Houston and the R on the crew said something to the effect of, "You'll have to excuse me guys if my stuff is a little stinky — been on the road for 3-4 days."

The official then went on to detail which games he had just worked — big schools!

I guess he didn't realize it at the time, but those conferences used BlueZebra Sports for their assigning. Did a quick search on him when I got home.

He did not work any of those games.

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870981)
This is 100% accurate. I've seen SO many reports from coaches (that are submitted through our software) ... it's always about something the official said, his attitude, or something along those lines.

Do coaches get upset about calls? Sure... but they get much more bothered by the perceived attitude of officials. A lot of times what comes out of our mouths doesn't help matters!

Coaches think we are at their beck and call for all kinds of things and if we do not stop everything to talk to them then we are bad officials. I put little stock in what reports say when often coaches have unreasonable positions about what officials are supposed to do for them. Thank God I work for a lot of people that seem to understand that fact and pretty much know who their coaches are and deal with them appropriately. A lot of times if there is a problem, we hear nothing about it from our supervisors.

Peace

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870985)
Coaches think we are at their beck and call for all kinds of things and if we do not stop everything to talk to them then we are bad officials. I put little stock in what reports say when often coaches have unreasonable positions about what officials are supposed to do for them. Thank God I work for a lot of people that seem to understand that fact and pretty much know who their coaches are and deal with them appropriately. A lot of times if there is a problem, we hear nothing about it from our supervisors.

Peace

Rut, if you are as diplomatic on the court as you are on the forum, we all know you don't have any problems! :)

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870986)
Rut, if you are as diplomatic on the court as you are on the forum, we all know you don't have any problems! :)

I am not in this business to be liked. And being liked does not help you get games or opportunities either. The powers that be want people that do the job, do not try to appease everyone in the process.

Peace

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870987)
I am not in this business to be liked.

Oh, we know!!! :) :) :)

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:23pm

You know I am just giving you a hard time ... you were very likable when we worked at camp together 4-5 years ago (or whenever that was)

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 04:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870990)
You know I am just giving you a hard time ... you were very likable when we worked at camp together 4-5 years ago (or whenever that was)

What camp was that?

Peace

tomegun Tue Jan 08, 2013 06:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870983)
My favorite pre-game brag was the following:

Was working at Sam Houston and the R on the crew said something to the effect of, "You'll have to excuse me guys if my stuff is a little stinky — been on the road for 3-4 days."

The official then went on to detail which games he had just worked — big schools!

I guess he didn't realize it at the time, but those conferences used BlueZebra Sports for their assigning. Did a quick search on him when I got home.

He did not work any of those games.

Busted.

Brad Tue Jan 08, 2013 07:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 870991)
What camp was that?

Peace

Pretty sure it was Dale's ... it was in Denton, TX.

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:36pm

OK. I take your word for it. I went to Dale's camp several times and met a couple of people there that said they were from the board. That was the only time I attended the Denton camp.

Peace

JRutledge Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 871005)
Busted.

And they will get over it. :eek:

Never understood why anyone cared where someone worked before of if that comes up. That kind of conversation is common. Almost ever college game I work I am with a D1 guy and I am already aware of where they have been working.

Peace

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 09, 2013 04:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871050)
And they will get over it. :eek:

Never understood why anyone cared where someone worked before of if that comes up. That kind of conversation is common. Almost ever college game I work I am with a D1 guy and I am already aware of where they have been working.

Peace

I guess people are ok with having a reputation of you know, lying.

tjones1 Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:16am

Oops
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 870983)
My favorite pre-game brag was the following:

Was working at Sam Houston and the R on the crew said something to the effect of, "You'll have to excuse me guys if my stuff is a little stinky — been on the road for 3-4 days."

The official then went on to detail which games he had just worked — big schools!

I guess he didn't realize it at the time, but those conferences used BlueZebra Sports for their assigning. Did a quick search on him when I got home.

He did not work any of those games.

LOL ahhh the power of software!

JRutledge Wed Jan 09, 2013 01:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 871070)
I guess people are ok with having a reputation of you know, lying.

We have a lot of D1 officials in both basketball and football. We see them on TV, we know who is working and officials talk. So if someone tried to say they worked somewhere they didn't, it would be exposed very quickly. I can honestly say I do not see a lot officials lie about those kinds of things in my experiences.

Peace

Brad Wed Jan 09, 2013 01:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871193)
We have a lot of D1 officials in both basketball and football. We see them on TV, we know who is working and officials talk. So if someone tried to say they worked somewhere they didn't, it would be exposed very quickly. I can honestly say I do not see a lot officials lie about those kinds of things in my experiences.

Peace

I my experience, in officiating and outside of it as well, if you have to go around telling people who you are and what you do ... you aren't much of anything.

You're right that it isn't most people —*just a few.

JRutledge Wed Jan 09, 2013 02:14pm

I do not disagree Brad, but there are people in this business (and that is all I want to focus on) where we talk "shop." Your schedule or experience tends to come up. Now if someone is making a suggestive comment like was stated I agree. The reality here with working college ball myself and working with guys that actually work D1, I usually already know as well as others know who they are working with. Especially at the college ranks, we have either worked with those guys at camp or they were clinicians at camps we attended. I have worked with multiple people officials that were clinicians at D1 or lower level camps that I have attended as a camper. Not many easily pulling the wool over our eyes or able to make a suggesting that they were somewhere and we had to look it up on a website. We already know before we get in the locker room. Heck we can figure that out if you attend the NCAA meetings or attend the required staff meeting.

Peace


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