Lost time out...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I use to say that, and some do here. Now, since the rule doesn't say to do this, I simply tell them to let me know, because otherwise I have to guess. If I'm feeling comedic, I'll point out that my wife tells me I'm horrible at reading minds so I'll probably guess wrong.

I'm not a fan of this -- I prefer to use a bit of preventive officiating. I ask once and I make sure the coach has my attention before I ask. Otherwise, it's a 60.

Since when do we need a rule to be preventive? Giving the "wrong" timeout seems like it can cause more trouble than it's worth.

[Adam]

I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.

[Tio]

In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.

Originally Posted by Adam

I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If I know when they have none, I can figure out on my own if one is excess.

Two officials. Two teams. Figure out the permutations. I want the scorekeeper to tell me when a team has used an excess (illegal) timeout, just in case I, or my partner, forgets that it's an excess (illegal) timeout that must be penalized. This is not a correctable error.

Also, more importantly, it's a rule: 2-11-9: Signal the nearer official each time a team is granted a time-out in excess of the allotted number.

Now, where are my house keys?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

"Let us see the 30 signal, or you will get a full."

After we ask once, or twice, without a response, this is the way it's done here in my little corner of the Constitution State.

The only difference is that out local interpreter wants us to call these thirty second, and sixty second, timeouts, not thirty second time outs, and full timeouts. Kinda like endline, and baseline, don't you think??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.

Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

Didn't say anything was wrong with it. I just don't do it. When I did, i still asked.