End of game communication

[egj13]

Worked a VG game last night...H team is down 3, V team fouls to send H to line for 1 and 1 with 2.8 remaining. (good coaching move by the way). Girl makes first and H coach calls time out. We get together real quick, discuss lane violations and shot hitting the rim assuming he will have her miss the shot. We forget to discuss one thing...clock starting.

Girl makes second shot...V team throws ball away on the inbounds..H steals, shoots, misses, rebounds shoots and makes it to win. Place is going nuts since H team won...until we wave it off.

No complaints from H coach since it was clear it took more than 2.8 seconds and we were actually blowing it dead as the second shot went up..but lesson learned on things to communicate in that situation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by egj13

Worked a VG game last night...H team is down 3, V team fouls to send H to line for 1 and 1 with 2.8 remaining. (good coaching move by the way). Girl makes first and H coach calls time out. We get together real quick, discuss lane violations and shot hitting the rim assuming he will have her miss the shot. We forget to discuss one thing...clock starting.

Girl makes second shot...V team throws ball away on the inbounds..H steals, shoots, misses, rebounds shoots and makes it to win. Place is going nuts since H team won...until we wave it off.

No complaints from H coach since it was clear it took more than 2.8 seconds and we were actually blowing it dead as the second shot went up..but lesson learned on things to communicate in that situation.

This isn't something that really requires a discussion -- the official responsible for the last second shot needs to look at the clock and ensure it starts. It's something I do regardless of my position on the floor.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't something that really requires a discussion -- the official responsible for the last second shot needs to look at the clock and ensure it starts. It's something I do regardless of my position on the floor.

C had tapped his chest before the first shot taking responsibility (opposite table) but I think it caught us by suprise that she made the second shot...we were all looking for a miss I believe. So we knew who had the clock and in postgame he admitted he blew it but if we had communicated during the timeout it might not have gotten overlooked.

[ballgame99]

Good post. So just a little home cooking by the table? Did the clock just not start at all or just really late?

[egj13]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Good post. So just a little home cooking by the table? Did the clock just not start at all or just really late?

Didn't start at all..when we blew it dead there was still 2.8 on the clock.

No home cooking here..it was a really good game and he just got caught up in the excitement.

Little background...this is by far the smallest HS gym in MT that I have seen. H team school enrollment is 26 (9-12) and I believe 23 of the kids are on either the B or G basketball teams. So the whole town is packed into this small..and I mean small gym and the girls have been pretty bad this year. For them to be in this situation had everyone..including the clock guy I guess...on the edge of the seat. It was a fun night!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by egj13

Didn't start at all..when we blew it dead there was still 2.8 on the clock.

No home cooking here..it was a really good game and he just got caught up in the excitement.

Little background...this is by far the smallest HS gym in MT that I have seen. H team school enrollment is 26 (9-12) and I believe 23 of the kids are on either the B or G basketball teams. So the whole town is packed into this small..and I mean small gym and the girls have been pretty bad this year. For them to be in this situation had everyone..including the clock guy I guess...on the edge of the seat. It was a fun night!

Noisy gyms are the best. The old Craftsbury Academy gym in VT was replaced this year. Short court. Overhead obstructions. No division line. Restraining lines. Backboard affixed to wall. Great atmosphere.

[johnny d]

enrollment is 26, how do they even keep the school open?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich

This isn't something that really requires a discussion -- the official responsible for the last second shot needs to look at the clock and ensure it starts.

Except that if the ball is immediately in his / her area that official might not be able to do so.

It's something I do regardless of my position on the floor.

Yes, if off-ball or if possible while on-ball.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by johnny d

enrollment is 26, how do they even keep the school open?

Good old Montana!!

When I got here last year my first game was in that gym..the division line is only about 10 feet past the 3 point line and if you wear bigger than a size 10 you aren't shooting from the corners...and I was like "what hillbilly place do they have me in?" But after being in that atmosphere with the whole town there, loud, it wasn't the same when I went back to the big schools.

It is hard to explain unless you have been here but they have some really small rural schools in this area and they love their teams!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Except that if the ball is immediately in his / her area that official might not be able to do so.

Fair comment.

[icallfouls]

Why not go to table and remind them to start the clock on your chop?

Had a situation several years ago. Tie game, visiting teams ball, had to go the length of the floor to win, 2.3 on the clock. Visitors last time out is called. I told the clock to watch for partners chop on inbound. What happens? time keeper starts clock as ball is handed to visitors. They throw long pass and the ball is deflected then recovered by visitors.

Now the home team sets up to avoid long pass and score and visitors lose in OT.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Why not go to table and remind them to start the clock on your chop?

Good point...and will probably add that next time I am in that situation.

I really think the whole place was suprised when she made the second shot..just wasn't expected after he had just called tim out.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by egj13

Good old Montana!!

When I got here last year my first game was in that gym..the division line is only about 10 feet past the 3 point line and if you wear bigger than a size 10 you aren't shooting from the corners...and I was like "what hillbilly place do they have me in?" But after being in that atmosphere with the whole town there, loud, it wasn't the same when I went back to the big schools.

It is hard to explain unless you have been here but they have some really small rural schools in this area and they love their teams!

My first few years of officiating were in Montana. More cows that people in the two counties we covered and the gyms were always packed. Very few schools here can match the atmosphere created in those small gyms.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by egj13

Worked a VG game last night...H team is down 3, V team fouls to send H to line for 1 and 1 with 2.8 remaining. (good coaching move by the way). Girl makes first and H coach calls time out. We get together real quick, discuss lane violations and shot hitting the rim assuming he will have her miss the shot. We forget to discuss one thing...clock starting.

Girl makes second shot...V team throws ball away on the inbounds..H steals, shoots, misses, rebounds shoots and makes it to win. Place is going nuts since H team won...until we wave it off.

No complaints from H coach since it was clear it took more than 2.8 seconds and we were actually blowing it dead as the second shot went up..but lesson learned on things to communicate in that situation.

In retrospect, how much time are you estimating actually elapsed?

[egj13]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In retrospect, how much time are you estimating actually elapsed?

Good questions because 2.8 can be a "long" time. My guess is 4 seconds at least..steal, shoot, rebound, shoot.