Colorado vs Arizona - Shot at the Buzzer

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

That is the definition of inconclusive isn't it?

I don't referee basketball, so I certainly don't know the rules on the use of replay in the NCAAs. But is the "inconclusive" criterion even used in basketball replays as it is in football?

I switched over from the Oregon/K-State game during a commercial break to see the end of this game. My Christmas present to me was a 65" Samsung 8000-Series LED Smart HDTV with 240Hz refresh (). I kept stopping and rewinding the replays with my DVR. And I couldn't tell from the two angles they showed if the ball had definitely left the shooter's fingertips when the backboard light lit up. It was just that close.

So anybody who says they definitely saw a valid shot or not is blowing smoke. The refs, IMO, simply had to guess, and we'll never know if they guessed right or not.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't referee basketball, so I certainly don't know the rules on the use of replay in the NCAAs. But is the "inconclusive" criterion even used in basketball replays as it is in football?

"When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands." 5-7.2.b

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands." 5-7.2.b

Wasn't the original call a made 3-pointer?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Wasn't the original call a made 3-pointer?

I see the attempt signalled, but I don't see anyone signalling that it was good (i.e., released before the 0:00.0 or red lights). Not saying that they didn't, only that I don't know.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I see the attempt signalled, but I don't see anyone signalling that it was good (i.e., released before the 0:00.0 or red lights). Not saying that they didn't, only that I don't know.

This is one of these we would have to talk to the crew issues. He certainly did not "bang" it in like you normally see. I think these guys are so used to last second shots being reviewed they just go to the monitor and not do anything. Not saying that is right, but that certainly seems to be what was done in this specific case.

Peace

[Jesse James]

End zone camera clearly shows 3-signal plus touchdown signal from the C. Doesn't bang it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

End zone camera clearly shows 3-signal plus touchdown signal from the C. Doesn't bang it.

We know that part, but he does not count it and that is the key. Normally I would always use the "count the basket signal" even if it is a successful 3 point shot.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

I don't think the ball was completely out of the shooter's hand when time expired. But I also don't think it could be any closer. Good grief.

The coach does acknowledge his team's role in gassing the big lead, so have to give him a nod for that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

End zone camera clearly shows 3-signal plus touchdown signal from the C. Doesn't bang it.

Thanks. that's "counting it" in my book. No need to "bang" it home on a three -- "banging" is a two point mechanic.

The call should have stood, imo -- not enough evidence to overturn (again, depending on what they saw on their monitor).

[dahoopref]

They system used is the Xos Digital system. It is shot with HD cameras (2 sidelines and 2 endzone) but the feed shown on the monitor is not in HD. It is a separate feed than what is shown from the broadcast. In my experience with the Xos system, I have not seen a broadcast feed shown in the non-HD monitor when reviewing a play.

IOW, the crew most likely did not see the ESPN camera version of the play and were left to decide using the Xos version of the play on a small monitor in non-HD.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

IOW, the crew most likely did not see the ESPN camera version of the play and were left to decide using the Xos version of the play on a small monitor in non-HD.

Crews in TV games get the same camera angles used on the broadcast. That's why they're in contact with the production truck on monitor plays.