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[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you call a hand-check at the moment of contact? Or do you call a hand-check when the contact displaces or moved the ball handler? RSBQ anyone?

The issue is not when contact first took place, it is when the contact displaced the player.

And if this upsets you, then when you work your games you stop the tape and then look at different angles and make a call. For the rest of us we will get one shot at the call and decide when contact caused displacement. And the issue of a knee hitting someone is the most irrelevant part of this discussion honestly. I guess we are going to penalize him because he can jump?

Peace

Whatever.

You said the contact happened after the dunk.

The video clearly shows otherwise.

And you still won't say your comment was incorrect.

Not gonna split hairs with you, because I know you'd rather disembowel yourself with a spoon than admit you made a mistake. Even though I agreed with your ultimate application of the rules.

I'm done.

Whatever.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Whatever.

You said the contact happened after the dunk.

The video clearly shows otherwise.

And you still won't say your comment was incorrect.

Not gonna split hairs with you, because I know you'd rather disembowel yourself with a spoon than admit you made a mistake. Even though I agreed with your ultimate application of the rules.

I'm done.

Whatever.

OK, then the displacement did not take place until after the dunk. Is that better? Does that make you feel better. And the fact you are worried about such a minor point tells me everything I need to know (while you agreed with my take on the play). Some people love to be so childish on this site sometimes.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, then the displacement did not take place until after the dunk. Is that better? Does that make you feel better. And the fact you are worried about such a minor point tells me everything I need to know (while you agreed with my take on the play). Some people love to be so childish on this site sometimes.

Peace

You're really stretching it here to justify your earlier statement.

No matter how you slice it the potentially fouling contact was well before the ball was through the hoop.

It may be the case that a lot of officials will not call that a foul but such a stance is not rules based....the defender did everything they needed to do to draw the charge (assuming they were there in time...and if they were not, it should have been a block).

[JRutledge]

I think it is a stupid point to make to show a graining video to try to prove when contact did or did not take place. Fouls are by rule caused by displacement, not the exact moment of contact.

Again people. If you want to call a foul here by my guest. And why you call a foul is also up to you. Life is too short to try to do things for why others do things. My judgment will be judge on its own merits and I am OK with that.

Peace

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is a stupid point to make to show a graining video to try to prove when contact did or did not take place. Fouls are by rule caused by displacement, not the exact moment of contact.

Defender looks to have been displaced!

[icallfouls]

the offense did not ever have head and shoulders past the defender, therefore the onus is on the offense to avoid contact, unless the defender moved forward - which could be the case here. you have to determine when/if the defender ever had LGP - LGP exists any time a defender is facing and has both feet on the floor and can be from any distance. the offense appears to have gone through the defender with heavy contact.

in HS it does not matter if the ball went through or entered the basket, you can still have a player control foul regardless.

the defender is in the path of the shooter prior to the shooter leaving the floor.

the knee is not relevant as most dunks/layups of this nature, starting off one foot, has the knee in this position.

i would be curious to know what the crew talked about - no one put a whistle on this play

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Defender looks to have been displaced!

Again, was he legal? He has to be in a legal position to have a foul in his favor.

Still more inclined to not call anything on this play at all levels I work.

Peace