Ucon MU OT

HawkeyeCubP · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:11pm

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Treat it as if they went the proper direction, which is different than what happened in the game in question.

How is it different? In both cases, the officials allowed the players to go the wrong direction to start a period, no?

Check NCAA 5-1-3 and NFHS 4-5-4, 5.2.1.E, & 5.2.1.F.

NCHSAA · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:17pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

How is it different? In both cases, the officials allowed the players to go the wrong direction to start a period, no?

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

HawkeyeCubP · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

The "situation that leads to the discovery" is irrelevant. The goaltending violation, along with everything else that happens prior to the discovery of the officials' error, is to stand, and be treated as though the teams were going in the proper directions.

tjones1 · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:31pm

According to StatSheet, there was a big crew on the game.

Karl Hess, Michael Stephens, Mike Stuart

Triad zebra · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

The "situation that leads to the discovery" is irrelevant. The goaltending violation, along with everything else that happens prior to the discovery of the officials' error, is to stand, and be treated as though the teams were going in the proper directions.

NCHSAA read 4-5-4. After the GT is called the mistake was recognized. Count the basket and get everyone going the proper direction.

tjones1 · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:35pm

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Since there was no goaltend the only means of determining control was the arrow. Which favored Marquette since UConn won the tip, even going the wrong way.

If there's no GT, then there's no try, then there's still TC.

IW gives the ball back to the team with TC.

NCHSAA · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:39pm

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If there's no GT, then there's no try, then there's still TC.

IW gives the ball back to the team with TC.

Who had control?

NCHSAA · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:43pm

What is the difference then in the case book play where you have a foul and the ball goes in if going the wrong direection??? You still do not count the basket and you correct off of that.

You cannot disregard NCAA 4-73 (Page 64)

HawkeyeCubP · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:58pm

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Who had control?

The team last in control is still in team control, because, by your logic in this play, there wasn't a try.

Raymond · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

So if they went the wrong way for 2 minutes and there were several field goals scored then MU's commits a goaltending violation at which point the error in direction is discovered, you are going to ignore the goaltending?

If the officials lined them up in the wrong direction then UConn was shooting at the "right" basket as far as the violation is concerned.

You are completely and illogically ignoring the fact that officials lined them up wrong. It's not the same as inadvertently shooting at the wrong basket. It's just that simple.

NCHSAA · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 01, 2013, 11:53pm

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So if they went the wrong way for 2 minutes and there were several field goals scored then MU's commits a goaltending violation at which point the error in direction is discovered, you are going to ignore the goaltending?

If the officials lined them up in the wrong direction then UConn was shooting at the "right" basket as far as the violation is concerned.

You are completely and illogically ignoring the fact that officials lined them up wrong. It's not the same as inadvertently shooting at the wrong basket. It's just that simple.

One, if it takes 2 minutes then something is wrong. I'm speaking at the college level. Where this should not happen for 2 minutes. I'm not convinced yet based on a try being at your correct basket. And I'm not saying I wont be convinced

HawkeyeCubP · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 02, 2013, 12:05am

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA

One, if it takes 2 minutes then something is wrong. I'm speaking at the college level. Where this should not happen for 2 minutes. I'm not convinced yet based on a try being at your correct basket. And I'm not saying I wont be convinced

First, the rule application for this scenario is the exact same in the HS and college games. Second, per NCAA: Rule 5. Section 1. Article 3. The amount of time the officials permit the players to go in the wrong directions is irrelevant. And invoking 4-73 is not relevant either, because the officials' error led the players to believe they were attempting tries at their own baskets.

Raymond · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 02, 2013, 12:10am

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One, if it takes 2 minutes then something is wrong. I'm speaking at the college level. Where this should not happen for 2 minutes. I'm not convinced yet based on a try being at your correct basket. And I'm not saying I wont be convinced

Well, since you are quoting rules to back your stance where does it state that time is relevant to a ruling?