Ucon MU OT

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Wrong basket = not a try = no goaltend

But the officials set them up going the wrong way off the tip! When that happens, you trat it as if they were going the right way and then get them going the right way once it is found out

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

But the officials set them up going the wrong way off the tip! When that happens, you trat it as if they were going the right way and then get them going the right way once it is found out

Doing so would violate the definition of a "try" as quoted in a previous post. If there was no attemped goaltend and Marquette went the wrong way also and scored then yes you would correct as if they went the proper way. However, the attemped goaltend is the difference here.

[NCHSAA]

Given the situation as in the UConn/Marquette game where a player goes to the wrong basket. Here is a hypothetical situation that can happen:

A1 attempts a lay-up and is fouled. Upon the whistle and reporting of the foul the officials recognize that A1 attempted the shot at Team B's basket (the wrong basket).

1) How would you administer (shots, foul, etc)
2) Team A is in the bonus

[Triad zebra]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Given the situation as in the UConn/Marquette game where a player goes to the wrong basket. Here is a hypothetical situation that can happen:

A1 attempts a lay-up and is fouled. Upon the whistle and reporting of the foul the officials recognize that A1 attempted the shot at Team B's basket (the wrong basket).

1) How would you administer (shots, foul, etc)
2) Team A is in the bonus

I haven't seen the video yet, but the OP says they were lined up on the jump going the wrong way. (officials error). This will cause the answers to 1&2 to be a bit different than just A1 getting confused and throwing ball at the wrong basket.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by Triad zebra

I haven't seen the video yet, but the OP says they were lined up on the jump going the wrong way. (officials error). This will cause the answers to 1&2 to be a bit different than just A1 getting confused and throwing ball at the wrong basket.

I beg to differ (and can be wrong). In both cases you have a shot at the wrong basket. Whether by confusion during the game or going the wrong way after the tip. Though most of the time it is after the tip that you will see the situation I presented.

[BktBallRef]

The officials erred in allowing the teams to line up and go the wrong way. The GT should score the basket, then turn the teams around and continue play. The crew screwed the pooch.

[just another ref]

Anybody ever see this happen in a D1 game before?

I find it embarrassing when we let teams go the wrong way in a jr. high game.
I personally have never been involved when it happened at the start of any quarter.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The officials erred in allowing the teams to line up and go the wrong way. The GT should score the basket, then turn the teams around and continue play. The crew screwed the pooch.

Agreed with this, as I understand the play. NCHSAA (and the officials on the game, and Karl Hess in his statement) are wrong.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Doing so would violate the definition of a "try" as quoted in a previous post. If there was no attemped goaltend and Marquette went the wrong way also and scored then yes you would correct as if they went the proper way. However, the attemped goaltend is the difference here.

So if the teams went the wrong directions the entire first half, and you don't realize it until the horn sounds to end the period, what would you do?

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

So if the teams went the wrong directions the entire first half, and you don't realize it until the horn sounds to end the period, what would you do?

Treat it as if they went the proper direction, which is different than what happened in the game in question.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Treat it as if they went the proper direction, which is different than what happened in the game in question.

How is it different? In both cases, the officials allowed the players to go the wrong direction to start a period, no?

Check NCAA 5-1-3 and NFHS 4-5-4, 5.2.1.E, & 5.2.1.F.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

How is it different? In both cases, the officials allowed the players to go the wrong direction to start a period, no?

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

The "situation that leads to the discovery" is irrelevant. The goaltending violation, along with everything else that happens prior to the discovery of the officials' error, is to stand, and be treated as though the teams were going in the proper directions.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I agree. The difference IMO is the situation that leads to the discovery. Which in this case is the "goaltend". You cannot have one at the wrong basket and you must correct the wrong direction based on that situation.

So if they went the wrong way for 2 minutes and there were several field goals scored then MU's commits a goaltending violation at which point the error in direction is discovered, you are going to ignore the goaltending?

If the officials lined them up in the wrong direction then UConn was shooting at the "right" basket as far as the violation is concerned.

You are completely and illogically ignoring the fact that officials lined them up wrong. It's not the same as inadvertently shooting at the wrong basket. It's just that simple.