Possible CE, MN/MSU

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think you're right.

We're missing the point you're making.

And Michigan State missed the FT and did not make the point or have a chance at the second point so the discussion point is made even though the FT point is not made but should not have been even attempted and that is the point that Rut was making and others were making for a different reason but the points are both good! Kumbaya

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Forksref

And Michigan State missed the FT and did not make the point or have a chance at the second point so the discussion point is made even though the FT point is not made but should not have been even attempted and that is the point that Rut was making and others were making for a different reason but the points are both good! Kumbaya

Then the question I have now, how do you have a CE on a missed FT? You are not taking off points. You cannot give the ball back to Minnesota at the spot of the foul. So how is this really a CE situation at all?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then the question I have now, how do you have a CE on a missed FT?

Whether the free throw is made or missed has no bearing on whether or not it was a correctable error.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Whether the free throw is made or missed has no bearing on whether or not it was a correctable error.

Yes it does. You cannot invoke 2-10 or 2-12 (NCAA Rule) unless you are counting or cancelling something.

BTW, here is a note out of the NCAA Rulebook.

Note: In order for this to be a correctable error, the official must have erred in counting or canceling a successful try for goal according to a rule (i.e., after basket interference or goaltending, incorrectly counting or failing to cancel a score or counting a three-point goal instead of a two- point goal). A correctable error does not involve an error in judgment.

No points were scored or needed to be cancelled.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes it does. You cannot invoke 2-10 or 2-12 (NCAA Rule) unless you are counting or cancelling something.

BTW, here is a note out of the NCAA Rulebook.

Note: In order for this to be a correctable error, the official must have erred in counting or canceling a successful try for goal according to a rule (i.e., after basket interference or goaltending, incorrectly counting or failing to cancel a score or counting a three-point goal instead of a two- point goal). A correctable error does not involve an error in judgment.

No points were scored or needed to be cancelled.

Peace

The above note goes with:

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

It has nothing to do with the play at hand.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The above note goes with:

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

It has nothing to do with the play at hand.

I agree. You are correct.

Calling a foul on the team in control but not penalizing it correctly is not an error in judgment but is a correctable error. What would not correctable is not calling an infraction that should be called or calling an infraction that wasn't....such as calling GT when it shouldn't have been GT. The points that come from that are not a correctable error because the GT call is a judgment call. In this case, it was call correctly made but unmerited FTs were awarded.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Forksref

And Michigan State missed the FT and did not make the point or have a chance at the second point so the discussion point is made even though the FT point is not made but should not have been even attempted and that is the point that Rut was making and others were making for a different reason but the points are both good! Kumbaya

That's what makes it an error.