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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:06pm
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Wade Suspended - Intentional Kick or Not? (Video)

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Dwayne Wade's shin meets Ramon Sessions' groin
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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:16pm
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Looks intentional-ish to me.
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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:16pm
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Looks intentional to me. Wade should have been tossed from the game. BTW, intentional-ish........way to go out on a limb and make a definitive statement. Hope you dont use that one when explaining plays to coaches.
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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:31pm
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No doubt...intentional move. Really D-Wade? Kicking a guy? What a girl. Four games minimum without pay if I'm the commish.
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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:36pm
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That's intentional.
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Old Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:44pm
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What a girl.
Really? I've officiated girls' high school basketball since 2002 and women's college basketball since 2007, and I've never seen an intentional kick to the groin in any of my games, or games I've watched.
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:31am
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Yeah, that was intentional. Not exactly a natural move after being grabbed by an opponent. My first thought was: If he'd done it with a fist, would there have been a call? I wish the crew (Tom Washington, Sean Corbin, Lauren Holtkamp) had at least gotten together and talked about the play and I'm sure they do as well. I'm thinking the league office isn't too happy with them for doing nothing.

At least if they'd called a flagrant they could have gone to video review. Otherwise it didn't seem to rise to the level of the other review criteria, though this might come close:

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a hostile physical interaction that is not part of normal basketball play and that does not immediately resolve by itself or with the intervention of game officials or players

Again, it might come close but everyone seemed to break away within 20 seconds or so.
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:52am
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It was intentional, and nothing new from him. I can think of 4 or 5 plays in the last 18 months with him and only Joey Crawford has hit him with anything outside of a normal foul.

2011 Eastern Semis vs Boston- ended with a Rondo dislocated elbow.

2012(? it was last year's) All-Star game- Questionable, but a Kobe broken nose causes concern, and after Dwight's ejection for contact above the shoulders I don't know how it seems like it should have been looked at.

2012 last half regular season vs Bulls- Rip Hamilton clears some space, Wade responds with a forearm shiv to the chest and a follow-through, no play on the ball. I'm ignoring Hamilton ending up at the feet of the front row, it was decent acting.

2012 Eastern Conference Semifinals- Nice open court tackle of Darren Collison. Crawford hit him with a Flagrant 1.

That's just off the top of my head. I know I have gotten a little off topic, but to bring it back I ask:

Do any of you guys use this type of information or a player's/coach's reputation to change what you are looking for on the court, or do you just file the information to prepare you for the game but call like you normally would?
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:54am
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In the replay that was obvious, but I can see how it was not seen that way in live time. Or maybe the angle of the official he did not see the "wind up" if you will. I have no problem with the suspension.

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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 01:52am
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Yeah, that was intentional. Not exactly a natural move after being grabbed by an opponent. My first thought was: If he'd done it with a fist, would there have been a call? I wish the crew (Tom Washington, Sean Corbin, Lauren Holtkamp) had at least gotten together and talked about the play and I'm sure they do as well. I'm thinking the league office isn't too happy with them for doing nothing.

At least if they'd called a flagrant they could have gone to video review. Otherwise it didn't seem to rise to the level of the other review criteria, though this might come close:


Again, it might come close but everyone seemed to break away within 20 seconds or so.
The situation resolved itself with intervention of the officials so that replay trigger wouldn't come into effect.
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In the replay that was obvious, but I can see how it was not seen that way in live time. Or maybe the angle of the official he did not see the "wind up" if you will.
Good observation.

Cheap shot and worthy of a suspension.
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:44am
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Really? I've officiated girls' high school basketball since 2002 and women's college basketball since 2007, and I've never seen an intentional kick to the groin in any of my games, or games I've watched.
Maybe it doesn't hurt as much? Anatomy and Physiology 101.
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:38am
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It was intentional, and nothing new from him. I can think of 4 or 5 plays in the last 18 months with him and only Joey Crawford has hit him with anything outside of a normal foul.

2011 Eastern Semis vs Boston- ended with a Rondo dislocated elbow.

2012(? it was last year's) All-Star game- Questionable, but a Kobe broken nose causes concern, and after Dwight's ejection for contact above the shoulders I don't know how it seems like it should have been looked at.

2012 last half regular season vs Bulls- Rip Hamilton clears some space, Wade responds with a forearm shiv to the chest and a follow-through, no play on the ball. I'm ignoring Hamilton ending up at the feet of the front row, it was decent acting.

2012 Eastern Conference Semifinals- Nice open court tackle of Darren Collison. Crawford hit him with a Flagrant 1.
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Dwyane Wade on groin kick, suspension: 'I just reacted'
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Maybe it doesn't hurt as much? Anatomy and Physiology 101.
Agreed, but I was sarcastically responding to the overt, antiquated, sexist comment in the post:
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Old Fri Dec 28, 2012, 12:16pm
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"I'm far from being a dirty player."

Dwyane Wade on groin kick, suspension: 'I just reacted'
If he "just reacts" with a dirty play, one needs to question whether he's a dirty player.
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