T or no T? - Page 2

twocentsworth · #16 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:57pm

inho, definitely not T-worthy. Don't get caught up in the the drama that emotional/immature players/coaches create during the game. Using our experience and maturity, we can simply recognize that comment for what it is....and move on.

Raymond · #17 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a

That is exactally what it was but by not giving him a T it seems like I actually am condoning his behavior and it will continue in the future. Thinking back I believe I should have called the T.

Don't have conversations when a player makes comments like "we are playing good defense, they are just throwing it up there." Simply say "I don't want to hear any more comments"

packersowner · #18 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:27pm

Silence is golden sometimes.

maven · #19 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:31pm

Color me "not even close to a T."

When he whinges that they're playing good defense, I'll tell him, "Good, keep working hard." If he wants to argue or comment about the call, then I'll end the conversation.

JRutledge · #20 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by packersowner

Silence is golden sometimes.

I think we have a right and responsibility to address players. Just the way you do it is different. Players are not on equal footing with coaches IMO and their behavior should be addressed directly. It would just be a one way conversation that is all.

Peace

bob jenkins · #21 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:20pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

It comes in handy in one particular area. Should the game go into overtime, you'll need a quick captains meeting to tell them there will be a four-minute OT period, a jump ball, and an extra 60-second timeout for each team after the OT has started.

Aside from that, I don't ask for speaking captains, unless I have a partner that insists upon them. The rules say that all five players can talk to us. That's good enough for me.

Edit to my above post #11:

I see that 2-5-8 (Referee's Duties) has been edited to read "Inform each team and the table officials of the overtime procedures when the score is tied at the end of regulation time."

I don't know what it said before.

I usually just tell the table 4 minutes, add a full TO to each side.

Adam · #22 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:39pm

Advice stage, I see.

The only thing I address from players here is "what did I do?" Anything beyond that ends with "You asked what you did. I told you. Time to move on." That assumes it was my call, if not I refer them to That Guy.

Players that try to debate quickly find themselves playing defense or rebounding free throws.

Nothing more really goes well.

I never ask for speaking captains. If it goes to OT, I tell whichever coach looks at me first from each team, four minutes, you get one more timeout.

egj13 · #23 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:01pm

I definately wouldn't issue a T in the OP scenario...but then again I don't issue many. If they aren't showing me up then I usually give them a break. In this scenario, you are in the paint and they (I am assuming) are speaking at a level where only you and the players around you can hear. Let him know to keep playing and press without getting your panties bunched. Now if you are the trail and he comes and throws his arms up as he says something..T him right there because he just showed you up in the middle of the floor. IMO many of us are to sensitive...this isn't about us out there. Let them have their frustration as long as they aren't demonstrative and play on.

Adam · #24 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:21pm

I have to add a couple of things. First, this idea that they get a pass if they aren't showing you up is misleading. It isn't the only way to get a T. If johnny says something stupid and I'm the only one who hears it, too bad, he gets a T.

Second, players and coaches may be emotional, they have a vested interest in the outcome. However, they still have to control those emotions. Displaying emotion is never an excuse for poor sportsmanship.

egj13 · #25 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:30pm

As always to each his own...if I am under the basket and a kid says something to me at a level only the immediate area can hear he usually gets a pass with me. But at the same time he curses, or tells me I suck...something personal..he gets whacked. The last 2 people I whacked were for arm motion only without words...one coach and one player at the top of the key. But after 20+ years of officiating multiple sports my skin is fairly thick...

I do the same in baseball...kid looks down towards the plate and says "you missed that one blue" gets a pass...same kid looks back in my direction without saying a word but shows everyone in the park his disapproval...better be swinging the next pitch I don't care where it is.

Adam · #26 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:36pm

I don't think we're too far apart. Some things get addressed more quickly if they're loud, but it's usually more about tone than anything else. Other times, a quiet comment gets ignored while the same words get shouted and earn a T.

My only point was that saying it quietly without gestures isn't an automatic pass just because no one knows it was said. Coach or player quietly says "Your partner is a ....", that's a T regardless of volume or gestures.

Adam · #27 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:39pm

And I've had plenty of vet partners who bragged about thick skin but just wouldn't take care of business. It doesn't mean much, frankly.

tomegun · #28 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:17am

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Originally Posted by egj13

I do the same in baseball...kid looks down towards the plate and says "you missed that one blue" gets a pass...same kid looks back in my direction without saying a word but shows everyone in the park his disapproval...better be swinging the next pitch I don't care where it is.

I know we have some other baseball guys on this board. Do you do the same thing? I am looking at this as either hyperbole or kind of a foul (pun intended) practice. If a ball is extremely outside, would you still call it a strike?

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Originally Posted by Adam

And I've had plenty of vet partners who bragged about thick skin but just wouldn't take care of business. It doesn't mean much, frankly.

Exactly!

JRutledge · #29 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:32am

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Originally Posted by tomegun

I know we have some other baseball guys on this board. Do you do the same thing? I am looking at this as either hyperbole or kind of a foul (pun intended) practice. If a ball is extremely outside, would you still call it a strike?

First of all baseball is a whole different animal. There would be a little more dialog from me to a batter if they showed they were not happy with a call. I have a mask on and can say a lot of things that will never be heard directly. Harder to read lips too. You really cannot compare the sports because of the nature of the eyes in basketball and proximity to others and the mores of the sports.

Peace

MD Longhorn · #30 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:36am

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Originally Posted by tomegun

If a ball is extremely outside, would you still call it a strike?

No... but if the ball is barely outside, it was not barely outside. There are some who believe in the FYC call - I've never been one of them, and usually those that say they will do this, do not do it in actuality.