Intentionally throwing ball off face

[APG]

I have a hard time envisioning a player trying to save the ball and intentionally throwing the ball off a player's face. In the heat of battle, a player isn't jump, turn, and throw the ball off a player's face on purpose to save the ball.

Anyhow, if you have a player throwing the ball off a player's face on purpose, T at minimum and probably a flagrant T.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by APG

I have a hard time envisioning a player trying to save the ball and intentionally throwing the ball off a player's face. In the heat of battle, a player isn't jump, turn, and throw the ball off a player's face on purpose to save the ball.

In the past week I believe (for the life of me I cannot find the right thread) someone posted that exact thing had happened in their game and they were not sure of the intent, but later were told by the player who threw it that he threw it in the guy's face on purpose.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rekent

In the past week I believe (for the life of me I cannot find the right thread) someone posted that exact thing had happened in their game and they were not sure of the intent, but later were told by the player who threw it that he threw it in the guy's face on purpose.

Did the player mean he was trying to throw it off the player's face on purpose because it was the first body part he saw...much in the same vein of when a player is intentionally throwing the ball at a player to knock the ball off of them and hits the player in the groin?

The question I'm envisioning in your OP was one where there's clear ill intent behind throwing the ball at the player.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by APG

Did the player mean he was trying to throw it off the player's face on purpose because it was the first body part he saw...much in the same vein of when a player is intentionally throwing the ball at a player to knock the ball off of them and hits the player in the groin?

The question I'm envisioning in your OP was one where there's clear ill intent behind throwing the ball at the player.

I wish I could find the other post, because the way I understood it and what made me think of this was that the player intentionally threw it off his opponent's face unnecessarily with the intent of hitting the player in the face when other options existed.

Certainly in the situation you mentioned, intentionally but more or less blindly throwing off a player and it hits accidentally is nothing.

[26 Year Gap]

One of the calls I regret not making several years ago was when a player leapt to 'save' a ball that was going OOB, and threw it off his opponent's face. The player making the save was in a position to see the whole court and easily could have saved it onto the court. It was a calculated throw in my estimation, and I should have rung him up.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

One of the calls I regret not making several years ago was when a player leapt to 'save' a ball that was going OOB, and threw it off his opponent's face. The player making the save was in a position to see the whole court and easily could have saved it onto the court. It was a calculated throw in my estimation, and I should have rung him up.

Here is what my thoughts were directed toward. So if you could go back you would have hit him with a flagrant?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rekent

Here is what my thoughts were directed toward. So if you could go back you would have hit him with a flagrant?

It would have been an unsporting technical. Not a flagrant foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

If you have a player throwing the ball off a player's face on purpose, T at minimum and probably a flagrant T.

Even if during a live ball? Is this contact in the sense that it's a personal foul, or is this more like noncontact, as in a technical foul? Fist to face is contact, but ball to face is noncontact? I have lot's of questions. I have no answers.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if during a live ball? Is this contact in the sense that it's a personal foul, or is this more like noncontact, as in a technical foul? Fist to face is contact, but ball to face is noncontact? I have lot's of questions. I have no answers.

You know better, Billy. Intentionally throwing the ball to the face is nothing close to a basketball move, and can only injure, intimidate, etc. Flagrant T almost* every time.


* only because I "never say never, never say always"

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by jugglingreferee

you know better, billy. Intentionally throwing the ball to the face is nothing close to a basketball move, and can only injure, intimidate, etc. Flagrant t almost* every time.


* only because i "never say never, never say always"

+1

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You know better, Billy. Intentionally throwing the ball to the face is nothing close to a basketball move, and can only injure, intimidate, etc. Flagrant T almost every time.

I was trying to dove tail throwing the ball at an opponent with the idea of a player holding the ball and pushing the opponent away with the ball, as discussed in an earlier thread. Are both of these, or either of these, or none of these, live ball "contact" in the sense that it's a personal foul, or are both of these, either of these, or none of these, live ball noncontact, and thus a technical foul?

I'm pretty sure that the throwing is live ball noncontact, and thus a technical foul. I'm not so sure about the "push", but I'm also leaning toward a live ball noncontact technical foul.