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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:00pm
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It has been published by the NFHS in a POE.
When was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T...
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:05pm
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When was that? I honestly do not remember the NFHS ever publishing something that said a coach yelling "Foul! Foul!" was to be issued an unsporting T...
While not presuming to be a mindreader, I think he may have been referring to this year's POE (#10) about intentionals late in games. Some of that POE on intentionals seems a little... wacky? for lack of a better word.
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:22pm
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Aren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul.
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:25pm
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Aren't all fouls at the end of a game when a team is trying to foul to stop the clock, by the book intentional fouls? Common sense must prevail here. Yes they are fouling on purpose, but as long as they make a play on the ball and the contact is excessive, I am calling a common foul.
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:56pm
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There is a difference between an intentional foul and an Intentional Foul.
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Old Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:57pm
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Understanding that the coach should have some other "safe" word for this action ...
Previous to the inclusion of 4.19.3 Sit D in the casebook, most smart coaches did use some type of code word that would instruct their players to "intentionally unintentionally" foul opponents, but would prevent the "real" intentional foul penalty of two shots and the ball.
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Old Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:43am
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There is a difference between an intentional foul and an Intentional Foul.
True. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction.
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True. I would like to see a name change for this particular infraction.
How about "intentional intentional foul?"
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Old Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:52am
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Part of the reason NCAA went to F1 / F2
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How about "intentional intentional foul?"
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Part of the reason NCAA went to F1 / F2
Maybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2.
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Maybe the Fed should adopt the I1 / I2.
It's a semantics issue. I don't think it would help.
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Old Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:50pm
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Call it anything else. Flagrant I & II would be fine.

The word intentional is misleading.

"Mr. Ref, he didn't do it on purpose!"
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Call it anything else. Flagrant I & II would be fine.

The word intentional is misleading.

"Mr. Ref, he didn't do it on purpose!"
You get that often? I don't.
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It's a semantics issue. I don't think it would help.
I was just playing along, actually.
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You get that often? I don't.
Often, no. The one time that I recall it was quite an issue was one of the very few times I have called intentional for excessive contact.

Actually, the opposite is probably the case. Intentional is not the call when everybody knows that he did do it on purpose.
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