foul just before buzzer

[bob jenkins]

the try does not count since it was not released before the horn.

Shoot 2 (or 3) FTs.

[Welpe]

Always listen to bob.

[maven]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

the try does not count since it was not released before the horn.

Shoot 2 (or 3) FTs.

Agree with the ruling.

Mechanics: easier if I've got just shooter (hold the foul signal) or just clock (wipe vigorously).

if I've got both shooter and the clock, I'd wipe the shot first a few times, then hold my fist up to signal that it's still a foul.

Then send teams to bench and get with partners to review what happens next. Coaches are next, together at the table, then report the foul and shoot FT's if it can affect the outcome (assuming the horn was for the 4th quarter).

Get my team on the same page, then communicate what's on that page to the coaches. Communication is essential in getting these things right.

[tomegun]

Maven, I would probably call the foul first and maybe not "wipe vigorously" at all. If the foul occurs then the horn, I would call the foul and probably verbalize two shots immediately. Following this, I'm not sure if having a conference with both coaches is necessary either.

[maven]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Maven, I would probably call the foul first and maybe not "wipe vigorously" at all. If the foul occurs then the horn, I would call the foul and probably verbalize two shots immediately. Following this, I'm not sure if having a conference with both coaches is necessary either.

A conference — and some wiping — might be advisable if the "shot" goes in.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by maven

A conference — and some wiping — might be advisable if the "shot" goes in.

I guess this is another HTBT situation, but I don't think we would handle it the same way. If the shot is eventually released and goes in maybe I would wipe it once, but I guess I'm so verbal at the spot and while I report that the conference with the coaches still isn't necessary. One coach is going to be happy the shot doesn't count anyway.

[maven]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I guess this is another HTBT situation, but I don't think we would handle it the same way. If the shot is eventually released and goes in maybe I would wipe it once, but I guess I'm so verbal at the spot and while I report that the conference with the coaches still isn't necessary. One coach is going to be happy the shot doesn't count anyway.

And if I were working with you, I'd be just fine with this. As I said initially, the crucial point is communication, and if you do it with your voice rather than your signals, I'd have no problem with that.

It's the guys who leave everything a big secret that get into trouble.

[tomegun]

Maven, thanks for your signature...I'm a Quality Manager and was going to use that quote, but someone told me they don't like "dead guy quotes".