Say what?

rekent · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by adam

honestly, i'd never even consider that my partner would give a coach such horribly inaccurate information, so i wouldn't even know to cut it off.

+1

Incredible that someone doing a BV game would even entertain the thought of half-court throw-in.

jdmara · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:47pm

It is astonishing that things like this happen but they do. The solution to the problem in the future is to ALWAYS get together during the crucial time of the game and discuss it. I was working a game last week with two DI officials and although they knew exactly what was going to happen, we discussed the situation at every full timeout.

-Josh

BillyMac · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:37pm

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

I am not a fan of putting the ball down. There are too many people that can mess with the ball or trip over the ball like cheerleaders. I would rather hold onto the ball and tell the coach the spot. Because in your situation the ball can be moved by someone and then what? I would rather them hear it from us where the spot is if we have to leave the spot to talk near the end of the game. Otherwise I stand near the spot and will not stand near the benches either.

Peace

BillyMac · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not a fan of putting the ball down. There are too many people that can mess with the ball or trip over the ball like cheerleaders. Because in your situation the ball can be moved by someone and then what?

Others on the Forum, in the past, have criticized me on this point before. Thirty-two years. No one has ever moved the basketball. Never ever.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Others on the Forum, in the past, have criticized me on this point before. Thirty-two years. No one has ever moved the basketball. Never ever.

I have no idea what you do in your area, I just stated what I would not do. Around here there are student sections that would move the ball if you gave them the opportunity and cheerleaders that pay little attention when a timeout is called. So in my experience all it takes is one time and I would not want to take that chance. Remember you said you still work 2 Person in your state so who knows what kind of attention to basketball your state might have. Here I would be scared if I put the ball down and some cheerleader fell over the ball. BTW, I had seen a cheerleader almost trip over a ball before and it was not in my game. As always, do what works for you, but I would not do that here, EVER!!!

Peace

tomegun · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:33pm

I would suggest you discuss this in pregame - no matter how many times you work with someone. Know the status of the ball before granting a timeout and know the position for the throw-in before reporting to the table. Every time, the same thing.

I also would not relay any information. If I grant the timeout, I will report the timeout to the table.

Did you have any feeling that things weren't totally right during the entire game? If so, could you have made sure your communication was on point in a situation like this? If those officials aren't as experienced as you, then the assignor may have put you on the game to keep things like this from happening (assuming you work in a system that would allow that). I know I will assign myself or the assistant crew chief as the U2 to give someone else an opportunity to be the R. If something isn't right during the game I'm sure not going to keep quiet because I'm not the R.

Raymond · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

Why doesn't the "off" official come to the throw-in spot instead the administering official leaving the ball?

BillyMac · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why doesn't the "off" official come to the throw-in spot instead the administering official leaving the ball?

That's what usually happens, but sometimes the official at the throwin spot will initiate the conference, and he probably doesn't want to use the unapproved "come hither" signal. We also like to have one person near the division line to deal questions regarding substitutes, team fouls, timeouts, clock issues, when do we get our checks, where's the nearest local joint where we can get an adult beverage after the game, etc.

Raymond · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's what usually happens, but sometimes the official at the throwin spot will initiate the conference, and he probably doesn't want to use the "come hither" signal. We also like to have one person near the division line to deal questions regarding substitutes, team fouls, timeouts, clock issues, when do we get our checks, etc.

I've always been taught not to leave the throw-in spot vacated. Any questions that MAY come up with the table can be dealt with before or after going to the throw-in spot.

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's what usually happens, but sometimes the official at the throwin spot will initiate the conference, and he probably doesn't want to use the unapproved "come hither" signal. We also like to have one person near the division line to deal questions regarding substitutes, team fouls, timeouts, clock issues, when do we get our checks, wheres the nearest local joint where we can get an adult beverage after the game, etc.

You are saying that people in your state regulate what signal a partner to "come here?" Wow is all I have to say.

Peace

BillyMac · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are saying that people in your state regulate what signal a partner to "come here?

Yeah. That's right. We're trying to get the "come hither" signal approved here in Connecticut. We won't push too hard because we don't want to lose our NFHS voting rights.

tomegun · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's what usually happens, but sometimes the official at the throwin spot will initiate the conference, and he probably doesn't want to use the unapproved "come hither" signal. We also like to have one person near the division line to deal questions regarding substitutes, team fouls, timeouts, clock issues, when do we get our checks, wheres the nearest local joint where we can get an adult beverage after the game, etc.

Sometimes the Connecticut jokes and other humor get in the way of getting your point across. This may be one of those times. The whole unapproved "come hither" signal thing is a joke isn't it?

Adam · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun

sometimes the connecticut jokes and other humor get in the way of getting your point across. This may be one of those times. The whole unapproved "come hither" signal thing is a joke isn't it? :d

+1

BillyMac · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun

Sometimes the Connecticut jokes and other humor get in the way of getting your point across.

Agree.

My point: If a official with the basketball (or just the basketball, which is rarely used, but acceptable, in my little corner of Connecticut) is at the throwin spot, then there will never be a problem with a coach not knowing where the throwin will occur.