PC foul?

[maven]

Originally Posted by OKREF

After watching this several times and looking at the rulebook. Neither player stays within his vertical plane. Maybe it is a no call. Had the offense gone straight up and stayed in his vertical plane, than yes a foul on the defense would be warranted, but he doesn't he jumps outside of his vertical plane.

No rule requires a player to remain in his "vertical plane." Doing so is no guarantee that a player's actions are legal, and failing to do so is not as such illegal. This worry is a red herring.

The shooter is allowed to drive to the basket, and the defender to block his progress, provided each does so legally.

And whether their movements leading up to contact are legal is, of course, the question.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by maven

No rule requires a player to remain in his "vertical plane." Doing so is no guarantee that a player's actions are legal, and failing to do so is not as such illegal. This worry is a red herring.

Really? If the offense and defense both jump straight up and are vertical, and the offensive player extends his arm to clear out the defense, he has not stayed in his vertical plane. Same for the defense, they may extend their arms but must stay in their vertical plane when doing so.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Really? If the offense and defense both jump straight up and are vertical, and the offensive player extends his arm to clear out the defense, he has not stayed in his vertical plane. Same for the defense, they may extend their arms but must stay in their vertical plane when doing so.

"Leaving the vertical plane" (sic) is not, in and of itself, an infraction. "Leaving the vertical plane and causing contact" might be.

That was the point.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"Leaving the vertical plane" (sic) is not, in and of itself, an infraction. "Leaving the vertical plane and causing contact" might be.

That was the point.

Agreed. In the video, the defense jumps and has a right to come down, the offense jumps out of his vertical plane and creates the contact. Turn it around. What if the offense jumps and prior to returning to the floor the defense jumps out of his vertical plane and creates contact with the offense. We have a foul on the defense.

[OKREF]

BTW does Love jump towards the basket or sideways? I think sideways.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Agreed. In the video, the defense jumps and has a right to come down,

Reference, please. Not saying you're wrong, I just can't place it in my mind's eye copy of the rule book.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Reference, please. Not saying you're wrong, I just can't place it in my mind's eye copy of the rule book.

I don't know that its in there. Just an assumption that an airborne player has the right to land without someone contacting him. I am probably wrong.


Maybe 4-19-1.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't know that its in there. Just an assumption that an airborne player has the right to land without someone contacting him. I am probably wrong.


Maybe 4-19-1.

4-19-1 says "airborne shooter". The defensive player cannot be an airborne shooter (or at least he isn't in this play).