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Old Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:02am
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That one and the two pivot spin move are the ones I get fan grief for calling. More often than not, fans are wanting the whistle when I either can't tell or the player was clearly legal.
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The only travel I see consistently ignored is in the low post with the big man's back to the basket. While holding the ball with both feet on the floor, he will step to the middle of the lane or the endline and then complete the move by stepping with the second foot (pivot foot). Traveling.
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Yep, I would have to agree that this is the travel that is missed most. And the travel that is incorrectly called the most is the one out on the perimeter when something "looks funny".
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Old Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:15am
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That one and the two pivot spin move are the ones I get fan grief for calling. More often than not, fans are wanting the whistle when I either can't tell or the player was clearly legal.
And let's not forget the catch and two step to the 3 point arc.

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Yep, I would have to agree that this is the travel that is missed most. And the travel that is incorrectly called the most is the one out on the perimeter when something "looks funny".
My pet peeve is the travel that is called when the player isn't HOLDING the ball.
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When asked, many officials point to the block/charge as their most difficult call. Although the "surprise" block/charge is still a difficult call for me, it's the travel, or no travel, call that is, by far, the most difficult call for me. Block/charge is in a distant second place.
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Old Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:43am
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The only travel I see consistently ignored is in the low post with the big man's back to the basket. While holding the ball with both feet on the floor, he will step to the middle of the lane or the endline and then complete the move by stepping with the second foot (pivot foot). Traveling.

Shaquille O'Neal got away with it for years and it's trickled down to college and HS.
Though they only got about to actually changing the wording in the rule book around 2008-2009, the move you describe (ball gathered with with foot on the floor, step with the opposite foot, then step again with the other foot) has been legal by interpretation in the NBA during a lot of Shaq's career, if I remember correctly. Definitely a travel at the lower levels.
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Old Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:47am
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My pet peeve is the travel that is called when the player isn't HOLDING the ball.
Huge pet peeve of mine as well. I hate that call as it clearly does not understand the premise of traveling in the first place, player control.

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Old Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:58am
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Huge pet peeve of mine as well. I hate that call as it clearly does not understand the premise of traveling in the first place, player control.

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Got to agree 100 percent with you and BBR...makes it especially tough if you have a partner that calls this a travel, and then when the same play happens you correctly no call the play.
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Got to agree 100 percent with you and BBR...makes it especially tough if you have a partner that calls this a travel, and then when the same play happens you correctly no call the play.
Even worse is the play in front of you that you no-call and your partner comes across and gets.
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Then with all due respect, you are not breaking down the game correctly, at least if we are applying the rule as written
You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

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You believe a game would be improved if 40 additional traveling violations were called in every game.

That's an additional violation and whistle every minute of every game.

That's insane.
Uh, that is my point. If this rule were enforced, players would learn to play the game how it was meant to be played. Then there would not be 40 traveling violations. But, as I stated clearly, this would have to be something done from the top down--a major POE.
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You have no idea what experience any one and certainly have no idea what BNR's background is in breaking down tape. That is a rather condescending statement to suggest that your ability is better than others and you even admit you are not tech savvy. Many of us here not only deal with video extensively, we break down video here all the time. And if your suggestion is to call 40 more travels, that makes me really think it would be a nightmare to watch your games. I know I call my share of travels, but no where near 10 I call in just a single game. Calling 40 would be excessive.

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Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.
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The integrity of the game?

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Respectfully, you are missing my point. I am not suggesting that we call 40 travels. I am simply making the observation that there are numerous traveling violations each game on this one, easy-to-call rule alone (pivot foot lifted before ball released on dribble). And the setting aside of this rule is compromising the integrity of the great game of BB.
I routinely make this call when it occurs. What I don't do is guess if I don't see it clearly.
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I routinely make this call when it occurs. What I don't do is guess if I don't see it clearly.
Exactly.
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Then there would not be 40 traveling violations.
There aren't.

I'm curious. How long have you been officiating?
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