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Camron Rust · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:29pm

Not a T....not even close.

The slamming of a ball itself is not what the T is for....it is merely the expression of emotion. Sometimes, however, that emotion is illegal, sometimes it is not. If it is to express displeasure with a call/no-call, the slamming of the ball is the display of emotion and disagreement that should be a T. If it is to express disappointment in response to failing to make the desired play, no T (assuming the ball wasn't made unavailable by the action, which is a different issue). The slamming of the ball itself should be judged on what is behind the action.

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:45pm

No T in my opinion. That's tame and is just a bounce, and not a slam.

twocentsworth · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:12pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not a T....not even close.

The slamming of a ball itself is not what the T is for....it is merely the expression of emotion. Sometimes, however, that emotion is illegal, sometimes it is not. If it is to express displeasure with a call/no-call, the slamming of the ball is the display of emotion and disagreement that should be a T. If it is to express disappointment in response to failing to make the desired play, no T (assuming the ball wasn't made unavailable by the action, which is a different issue). The slamming of the ball itself should be judged on what is behind the action.

Print this post and hand to those players, coaches, parents, fans, & partners when a kid slams the ball down in reaction to a play....

Well said!

BillyMac · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:23am

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Well said!

I agree that it's well said, however, I always hate to be put in a situation where I am forced to "read the mind" of a player.

Adam · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:34am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree that it's well said, however, I always hate to be put in a situation where I am forced to "read the mind" of a player.

I'll say that sometimes the ball bounces so high or far that player motive doesn't matter.

Mark Padgett · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:38am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree that it's well said, however, I always hate to be put in a situation where I am forced to "read the mind" of a player.

That's not that hard, but try to read the "mind" of a coach. I don't think you can "read" a vacuum.

grunewar · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

That's not that hard, but try to read the "mind" of a coach. I don't think you can "read" a vacuum.

I see Mark:

a) is feeling better,

b) has access to a computer again,

c) is in the holiday spirit,

d) all of the above.

BillyMac · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar

I see Mark:
a) is feeling better,
b) has access to a computer again,
c) is in the holiday spirit,
d) all of the above.

e) can no longer toss around the "pigskin" with the family after Thanksgiving dinner without dealing with some deep, philosophical, moral, questions.

Camron Rust · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree that it's well said, however, I always hate to be put in a situation where I am forced to "read the mind" of a player.

You don't need to read the mind of the player. You need to know the situation and observe the reaction. It is usually pretty obvious why they do things.

RookieDude · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:25am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not a T....not even close... (assuming the ball wasn't made unavailable by the action, which is a different issue)..

Agree...and since you brought that point up...I don't like it when players are frustrated (even just with themselves) and slam the ball or even place the ball on the floor and expect us to go get it.

Some here may think that is being lazy or arrogant of an official with that attitude...but, there is rule backing if you think you need it...

10-3-5b

..."failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle blows."

grunewar · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:55am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

Agree...and since you brought that point up...I don't like it when players are frustrated (even just with themselves) and slam the ball or even place the ball on the floor and expect us to go get it.

A player can "expect" all he wants. With very limited exception, I'm going to stand at the spot and wait for someone to get me the ball.

Very seldom is it an issue. I'm not going to look to make it more than it is, frustration by a passionate athlete that quickly, (hopefully) dissipates.

Adam · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:45am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

Agree...and since you brought that point up...I don't like it when players are frustrated (even just with themselves) and slam the ball or even place the ball on the floor and expect us to go get it.

Some here may think that is being lazy or arrogant of an official with that attitude...but, there is rule backing if you think you need it...

10-3-5b

..."failing when in possession, to immediately pass the ball to the nearer official when a whistle blows."

I've informed players, and sometimes their teammates, that it's in their interest to get the ball and toss it to me. I do not chase the ball as it's impossible to dead ball officiate while running after a ball.

packersowner · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:04am

"During the next time out, B1's coach calls me over and, heatedly tells me that I should have given his player a T. I say coach, it didn't warrant a T."

You giving his player a technical would have been easier than him disciplining his player. Its the same reason why parents like when coaches enforce a curfew, it takes the pressure off their back to be parents.

stir22 · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by Adam

I've informed players, and sometimes their teammates, that it's in their interest to get the ball and toss it to me. I do not chase the ball as it's impossible to dead ball officiate while running after a ball.

Thanks. One that happened to me last year during two-man was, I called travelling on a kid who didn't like the call. JV boys. Coach immediately called a time-out, which my partner granted. The kid who I called the violation on still had the ball...I was facing him, and holding my hands out, clearly expecting him to toss me the ball. He purposely (very obviously) let it drop out of his hands, rolling it, and not in my direction. Do you have a T for that?

Raymond · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by stir22

Thanks. One that happened to me last year during two-man was, I called travelling on a kid who didn't like the call. JV boys. Coach immediately called a time-out, which my partner granted. The kid who I called the violation on still had the ball...I was facing him, and holding my hands out, clearly expecting him to toss me the ball. He purposely (very obviously) let it drop out of his hands, rolling it, and not in my direction. Do you have a T for that?

I have a player joining the time-out huddle a little bit late.