"That was a WEAK foul!!!"

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

B spectators quite vocal, bordering on abusive/personal comments toward officials..

Nip this in the bud. Especially in a MS game.

As for the T, it was a good one. Whenever a coach tells me he wasn't talking to me I usually laugh inside.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rsl

Agreed, but what the OP described (raucous crowd and borderline coach) makes me think the it was casual in this case. Just my opinion.

Probably, I just don't like asking that question when a guy is second guessing himself. Too many times the coach is stupid, and a good T doesn't help.
Or a smart coach will just live quietly with a bad T.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Adam

Probably, I just don't like asking that question when a guy is second guessing himself. Too many times the coach is stupid, and a good T doesn't help.
Or a smart coach will just live quietly with a bad T.

OK, I see your point.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

May have kicked a technical foul last night. Very competitive MS boys game. B spectators quite vocal, bordering on abusive/personal comments toward officials. A1 is driving across the lane when he is hacked on the arm By B1 as he is gathering the ball. Coach B is immediately asking me what B1 did. After reporting the foul, I explained the call to him. He huffs and stomps off yelling, "That was a WEAK foul!!!" I took it as directed at me and my call (and possibly inciting his already boisterous crowd). After meeting with my partner and going over the foul shooting order, etc., Coach B called me over (calmly) and contended that he was yelling at his player. Until that moment I had not considered that as a possibility. I explained the way I perceived it and we moved on. After that we had a better game.

In of itself, "that's a weak call," is nothing in my books. I don't think it's a comment that's personal. Now with the theatrics that you mentioned, plus the inciting of the crowd, I wouldn't have a problem with the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

In of itself, "that's a weak call," is nothing in my books. I don't think it's a comment that's personal. Now with the theatrics that you mentioned, plus the inciting of the crowd, I wouldn't have a problem with the call.

For me, the comment alone would get rung. It's no different than "that's a middle school call."

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

For me, the comment alone would get rung. It's no different than "that's a middle school call."

If we're talking about statements in of themselves, I don't see this being the same. This statement can a coach's backhanded attempt at saying one's officiating abilities are not par for the game and that one does not belong in a game. A coach saying a call is weak, in my books, it the same as him saying a call is bad.

[deecee]

I don't think the comment alone is T worthy, my opinion. It's the same if a coach says "that was an awful call", "that call stunk". Just the comment is simple venting. How they say it and what they do are different, but if I just heard those statements as is I wouldn't T them up.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Chris Whitten

May have kicked a technical foul last night. Very competitive MS boys game. B spectators quite vocal, bordering on abusive/personal comments toward officials. A1 is driving across the lane when he is hacked on the arm By B1 as he is gathering the ball. Coach B is immediately asking me what B1 did. After reporting the foul, I explained the call to him. He huffs and stomps off yelling, "That was a WEAK foul!!!" I took it as directed at me and my call (and possibly inciting his already boisterous crowd). After meeting with my partner and going over the foul shooting order, etc., Coach B called me over (calmly) and contended that he was yelling at his player. Until that moment I had not considered that as a possibility. I explained the way I perceived it and we moved on. After that we had a better game.

T.

Coaches don't act that way towards their players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

If we're talking about statements in of themselves, I don't see this being the same. This statement can a coach's backhanded attempt at saying one's officiating abilities are not par for the game and that one does not belong in a game. A coach saying a call is weak, in my books, it the same as him saying a call is bad.

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't think the comment alone is T worthy, my opinion. It's the same if a coach says "that was an awful call", "that call stunk". Just the comment is simple venting. How they say it and what they do are different, but if I just heard those statements as is I wouldn't T them up.

I really don't see the difference, but I'd have to hear it in the game to say for sure. I'll say this, though, the odds of me calling this in a middle school game are almost 100%.

[JRutledge]

For me that comment would not get a T in itself, but if it was included in other bad behavior then the coach is on sketchy ground with me. Does that mean that I would give a T here? Probably not, but I can see how that was the result.

I think we all have to find our "line in the sand." Some have a shorter line than others.

Like I was told a long time ago, "When you roll the dice, you just might crap out." So a coach is taking a chance that any of his comments will be misunderstood. And if he does not want it that way, well you know what they say about quoting silence.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really don't see the difference, but I'd have to hear it in the game to say for sure. I'll say this, though, the odds of me calling this in a middle school game are almost 100%.

yes level of play does play a difference. But when I speak, I speak (not to put it bluntly) for games that matter.

[vbzebra]

hs scrimmage, had to T a coach this week for similar...opponent driving to basket for layup, gets contact to the head, i call foul, count basket. coach then wants to 'ask' me about it during the ft. i acknowledge (tableside anyway after reporting).

"you're suddenly making all the calls and they're going the other way". ok coach, i hear ya, and begin to walk away. Then I hear "that's bull$h!t, it's absolute bull$h!t!" being yelled from him. Whack.

Partners then said i should have let the contact to the head go without a whistle since he made the layup and i shouldn't have whacked the coach

[Rob1968]

Quote: "Partners then said i should have let the contact to the head go without a whistle since he made the layup and i shouldn't have whacked the coach."

My thought in such a situation, "Uh, did I just get "big-timed?"
Sometimes, I wish I could T up a partner(s)!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

yes level of play does play a difference. But when I speak, I speak (not to put it bluntly) for games that matter.

And I was speaking to the OP.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

hs scrimmage, had to T a coach this week for similar...opponent driving to basket for layup, gets contact to the head, i call foul, count basket. coach then wants to 'ask' me about it during the ft. i acknowledge (tableside anyway after reporting).

"you're suddenly making all the calls and they're going the other way". ok coach, i hear ya, and begin to walk away. Then I hear "that's bull$h!t, it's absolute bull$h!t!" being yelled from him. Whack.

Partners then said i should have let the contact to the head go without a whistle since he made the layup and i shouldn't have whacked the coach

if my partners said something like that to me....my response: "I appreciate your opinion. Here's my opinion: EVERY time a shooter gets hit in the head and a coach yells 'that's bull$hit', I WILL blow my whistle."

btw, those partners are complete idiots!