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RookieDude Sat Nov 17, 2012 07:25pm

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Originally Posted by vbzebra (Post 862546)
". ok coach, i hear ya, and begin to walk away. Then I hear "that's bull$h!t, it's absolute bull$h!t!" being yelled from him. Whack.

Partners then said i should have let the contact to the head go without a whistle since he made the layup and i shouldn't have whacked the coach :eek:

...tell your partners they need to grow some balls if they are going to be doing any more H.S. games...SHEESH!:rolleyes:

Raymond Sun Nov 18, 2012 09:27pm

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Originally Posted by vbzebra (Post 862546)
hs scrimmage, had to T a coach this week for similar...opponent driving to basket for layup, gets contact to the head, i call foul, count basket. coach then wants to 'ask' me about it during the ft. i acknowledge (tableside anyway after reporting).

"you're suddenly making all the calls and they're going the other way". ok coach, i hear ya, and begin to walk away. Then I hear "that's bull$h!t, it's absolute bull$h!t!" being yelled from him. Whack.

Partners then said i should have let the contact to the head go without a whistle since he made the layup and i shouldn't have whacked the coach :eek:

Were these the same partners who worked your college scrimmage?

Forksref Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:41pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 862482)
The answer to whether it was a good T rarely involves asking if the game got better. The two are perhaps correlated, but not causal.

I wacked a coach whose team was 17 pts behind in the first half. After that he started coaching and, although they lost the game, they cut the lead to 2 points at one time. I wonder if AD's realize that taxpayer money is wasted on coaches who don't coach. What I really want to tell a coach at that time is, "Coach, you're behind by 17 pts. Your team needs your efforts more than I do." As a parent, I'd be upset that my kid is being ignored while the refs get all the attention.

vbzebra Mon Nov 19, 2012 06:14am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 862664)
Were these the same partners who worked your college scrimmage?

actually, no :D

SNIPERBBB Mon Nov 19, 2012 06:51am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 862541)
yes level of play does play a difference. But when I speak, I speak (not to put it bluntly) for games that matter.


All games matter to someone.

BillyMac Mon Nov 19, 2012 07:36am

Devil's Advocate ...
 
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Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 862671)
I wacked a coach whose team was 17 pts behind in the first half. After that he started coaching and, although they lost the game, they cut the lead to 2 points at one time. I wonder if AD's realize that taxpayer money is wasted on coaches who don't coach.

Maybe he was coaching? Maybe he was trying to get his kids "fired up"? And he unknowingly included you in his devious plan that seemed to work.

BillyMac Mon Nov 19, 2012 07:37am

As Dr. Naismith, And God, Intended ...
 
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 862676)
All games matter to someone.

Amen.

Adam Mon Nov 19, 2012 08:49am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 862680)
Maybe he was coaching? Maybe he was trying to get his kids "fired up"? And he unknowingly included you in his devious plan that seemed to work.

The sad part is, this might be the coach's takeaway from the game.

Tio Mon Nov 19, 2012 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by Chris Whitten (Post 862387)
May have kicked a technical foul last night. Very competitive MS boys game. B spectators quite vocal, bordering on abusive/personal comments toward officials. A1 is driving across the lane when he is hacked on the arm By B1 as he is gathering the ball. Coach B is immediately asking me what B1 did. After reporting the foul, I explained the call to him. He huffs and stomps off yelling, "That was a WEAK foul!!!" I took it as directed at me and my call (and possibly inciting his already boisterous crowd). After meeting with my partner and going over the foul shooting order, etc., Coach B called me over (calmly) and contended that he was yelling at his player. Until that moment I had not considered that as a possibility. I explained the way I perceived it and we moved on. After that we had a better game.

I love how coaches and players will take a swipe at officiating/calls and claim they were talking to their team. If a coach says to his player "the refs suck." How is that any different than if it is said to your face?

On this play, I would only advise the following. If you KNOW that you got the play right (foul) then my tolerance for objection goes WAY down. If it was a tough play, then I will let the coach vent if done so professionally. The stomping around is unacceptable bench decorum and the T is warranted on those merits alone. Not to mention, you are having issues with the crowd and poor coach behavior only incites the crowd and makes it worse. I think you did the right thing.

BillyMac Mon Nov 19, 2012 02:56pm

Clasic Line ...
 
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Originally Posted by Tio (Post 862796)
I love how coaches and players will take a swipe at officiating/calls and claim they were talking to their team. If a coach says to his player "the refs suck." How is that any different than if it is said to your face?

Jim Valvano: "Can I get a technical foul for what I'm thinking?"
Hank Nichols: "No."
Jim Valvano: "That's good, because I think you stink."

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