Any violations on these moves??video

[jump stop]

Are these straight forward or difficult to call??

[Raymond]

If she gathers THEN jumps back it's a travel. If she gathers while jumping back it's a legal play.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If she gathers THEN jumps back it's a travel. If she gathers while jumping back it's a legal play.

Both moves in the video appeared to be the latter.

[Smitty]

I would say no violation on either one. She's still gathering as she's making her final jump.

[maven]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Are these straight forward or difficult to call??

These are not difficult, and still would not be difficult with 9 other players on the court.

[APG]

Legal in both.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If she gathers THEN jumps back it's a travel. If she gathers while jumping back it's a legal play.

I think she gathers with one foot on the floor, so she can jump off that and land on both, which is what she does, as I see the play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think she gathers with one foot on the floor, so she can jump off that and land on both, which is what she does, as I see the play.

Looking at it again I think you're right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If she gathers THEN jumps back it's a travel. If she gathers while jumping back it's a legal play.

I've got her gathering, then jumping.

Still not a travel, though.

[ballgame99]

These are technically fine, the second one could potentially be called a travel in the heat of a game just because the jump stop landing is kind of choppy (feet don't come down together). That partnered with a jump may look to strange for some officials. Not saying I would call it that way, just saying the second one has more travel potential than the first.

edit to add: hold your phone sideways next time so the vid doesn't look like we are looking through a keyhole

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

These are technically fine, the second one could potentially be called a travel in the heat of a game just because the jump stop landing is kind of choppy (feet don't come down together). That partnered with a jump may look to strange for some officials. Not saying I would call it that way, just saying the second one has more travel potential than the first.

edit to add: hold your phone sideways next time so the vid doesn't look like we are looking through a keyhole

yes , holding the phone sideways would be better. Technology is great: can shoot video with phone and in 5 minutes it's upload on YOU TUBE.

I appreciate feedback: these moves have been have caused some officials difficulties if they don't know the travel rules clearly.
It's all about when "the dribble is gathered" and what foot is on the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Hold your phone sideways next time so the video doesn't look like we are looking through a keyhole

Hey jump stop. Don't listen to ballgame99. I simply flipped my 18.5 inch personal computer monitor on it's side, and was able to view the video with absolutely no "keyhole" problems. One slight problem: The shooter was shooting "sideways". I'll keep flipping my monitor in other directions until I get it right.

[JugglingReferee]

I do not have a travel in either video.

If a travel were to be called in one of these situations, I would bet that it is the second example, as I think it has a greater chance to trick anyone (not just an official) into traveling. Some people may say that the gather was earlier than others.

[just another ref]

Jump stop, since you have posted more than once on this subject, may we assume that your daughter is sometimes being whistled for violations on what you believe to be legal moves? This leads one to suggest that either, as you state, you have bad officials, or, not all the moves in the game are done as sweetly as in the videos.

Fact is, either way, if you have a move which gets called a violation more than once in a game, you better either change it or stop using it. It is unlikely that the official will change.

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Jump stop, since you have posted more than once on this subject, may we assume that your daughter is sometimes being whistled for violations on what you believe to be legal moves? This leads one to suggest that either, as you state, you have bad officials, or, not all the moves in the game are done as sweetly as in the videos.

Fact is, either way, if you have a move which gets called a violation more than once in a game, you better either change it or stop using it. It is unlikely that the official will change.

agree