Foul on a tip/tap

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Last night: A1 shoots, misses. A2 "crashes the boards" and tips/taps the ball, as he pushes B2 from behind. Lead calls the push, and quickly turns to report the foul. The ball bounces straight up from the rim, twice, and then goes through. Lead is unaware that it went through. The scorer adds 2 points to A's score.
C informs the Lead that the ball went through. Lead asks if it matters whether the push was before the tap or after.
Comments . . .

It matters in the case of this airborne shooter (4-1) for whom a try or a tap is all the same. Ball is dead at time of foul (6-7-4). No score.
Make sense?

[Rob1968]

To be more precise, Lead asked whether the basket should count if the tap came before the foul, or after. It seems to me, as you said, Freddy, that A2 was an airborne shooter, in either instance, and that the basket should not count.

[Adam]

The only difference it makes would be weather you'd shoot free throws if B was in the bonus.

Either way, the basket would not count.

It's either a player control foul, or it's a common foul committed prior to the start of the shot.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

To be more precise, Lead asked whether the basket should count if the tap came before the foul, or after. It seems to me, as you said, Freddy, that A2 was an airborne shooter, in either instance, and that the basket should not count.

One quibble -- If the foul was before the tap, then A2 wasn't an airborne shooter.

Either way, though, the shot doesn't count (under FED rules -- in NCAAM, the shot would count if the foul was after the tap).

[Rob1968]

Thanks. I was the C and we got it right. Whether it was a common foul or a player control foul is really important. It was not a bonus situation, and that's an important point.
I promised my two partners that I'd look into the scenario, further. Which means that I would bring it here.
I plan on using all of this in training this season, in our officials chapter.
You guys are great! Thanks, again.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

One quibble -- If the foul was before the tap, then A2 wasn't an airborne shooter. Either way, though, the shot doesn't count (under FED rules -- in NCAAM, the shot would count if the foul was after the tap).

Always an honor to be corrected by Bob. Kinda like a coach telling you that you didn't suck as bad as he thought you would.