WNBA: Jacket Removal and Toss

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would suggest either better video quality or a new prescription.

In fact the defender's hand made no downward motion until the ball came loose. Her hand initially moved up with the ball and then when the ball came loose is the first time her hand moved downward. I honestly have no idea what the heck you are looking at.

The direction the defender's hand moves is not relevant. The ball continued UP afterwards...not much, but UP while the shooters arm stayed down as a result of behind held down. That is a very reliable symptom of the contact being on the arm instead of the ball. Plus, the defender isn't permitted to contact the arm to get to the ball....that point is indisputable unless you close your eyes when watching the video. They can make contact with a hand that is one the ball, but not the arm.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In fact the defender's hand made no downward motion until the ball came loose. Her hand initially moved up with the ball and then when the ball came loose is the first time her hand moved downward.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The ball continued up afterwards, not much, but up while the shooters arm stayed down as a result of behind held down. That is a very reliable symptom of the contact being on the arm instead of the ball. Plus, the defender isn't permitted to contact the arm to get to the ball, that point is indisputable. They can make contact with a hand that is one the ball, but not the arm.

With such a difference of opinion, it's too bad that we don't have video to watch to see who is correct.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I suggest you take up a career in writing fictional novels. You're making stuff up. The direction the defender's hand moves is not relevant. The ball continued UP afterwards...not much, but UP while the shooters arm stayed down as a result of behind held down. That is a very reliable symptom of the contact being on the arm instead of the ball. Plus, the defender isn't permitted to contact the arm to get to the ball....that point is indisputable unless you close your eyes when watching the video. They can make contact with a hand that is one the ball, but not the arm.

The defender didn't contact the arm to get to the ball...the defender got her hand on the ball and then the shooter tried to muscle her way through the defender, undoubtedly hoping she had an official there who would make such a call. Good thing for the game that those officials knew better.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The defender didn't contact the arm to get to the ball...the defender got her hand on the ball and then the shooter tried to muscle her way through the defender, undoubtedly hoping she had an official there who would make such a call. Good thing for the game that those officials knew better.

Unfortunate for the game that the officials don't call the obvious foul and that there are others that back them up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Unfortunate for the game that the officials don't call the obvious foul and that there are others that back them up.

Well if it was obvious, why are there many officials saying this should not be called? Why are you correct on this situation and everyone else is wrong? It really should not be a matter how many feel one way or the other, but it is telling when not everyone even can agree on this contact. This is why it is called, "judgment" I guess.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well if it was obvious, why are there many officials saying this should not be called? Why are you correct on this situation and everyone else is wrong? It really should not be a matter how many feel one way or the other, but it is telling when not everyone even can agree on this contact. This is why it is called, "judgment" I guess.

Peace

I'm with you from your earlier posts. H.S. I can see calling a foul but even then I'm iffy. College and Pro? Play on. Defender got the ball first and then it's a case of one strong person trying to hold the ball down (defense) while another tries to raise it towards the goal (offense). At any rate I'm not going to use "obvious" on this situation. If we're all debating it my guess is it really isn't obvious.

I can see the coach being upset because of whatever angle she has and the fact she's a coach but she doesn't get to go berserk, even if I think my partners or I may have missed the call.

[Welpe]

Let's keep the personal stuff out of it and focus on discussing the play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Let's keep the personal stuff out of it and focus on discussing the play.

Better yet. Let's have a poll.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The direction the defender's hand moves is not relevant. ...

Again, you need to make up your mind. I'm still trying figure out how the defender ripped A1's hand off the ball while at the same time maintaining contact with the ball.

[APG]

Dirk Nowitzki said it best:

Shut it down, let's go home.