block/charge/no call considerations

[johnny d]

back up 10-20 steps, now you are being nonsensical. and btw it doesnt really matter when of if the defender can ever switch from being secondary to primary because the rule states the seconday defender cannot ESTABLISH INITIAL LEGAL GUARDING POSITION so if you want to take your argument to the most absurd extreme and assume the secondary defender establishes position 94 feet from the basket and backs up all the way into the RA they can do that legally.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

back up 10-20 steps, now you are being nonsensical. and btw it doesnt really matter when of if the defender can ever switch from being secondary to primary because the rule states the seconday defender cannot ESTABLISH INITIAL LEGAL GUARDING POSITION so if you want to take your argument to the most absurd extreme and assume the secondary defender establishes position 94 feet from the basket and backs up all the way into the RA they can do that legally.

It is not nonsense. It is just exaggerating the elements to expose the main point that you don't seem to see.

Again, how does a player become a primary defender? How long must they be on the player and at what distance must they be in order to be a primary defender. If players switch out top on a screen, the secondary defender does at some point become a primary. The question is where and when? If a secondary defender slides in and backs there way down the lane for 1 step, two steps, 5 steps, 10 steps, all right with the dribbler, when do they become the primary?

[johnny d]

camron you are the one missing the point. the RA only matters for establishing initial position. if the situation with screen out top you describe occurs, it doesnt matter what you want to call the defender (primary, secondary, tertiary) who picks the offensive player up off the screen if that defender establishes legal guarding position outside the RA, then they are allowed to maintain that legal guarding position all the way into the RA. the key point and the only thing that matters is where this defender establishes guarding postion, inside or outside of the RA after that the same rules for maintaining legal position are in effect.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

camron you are the one missing the point. the RA only matters for establishing initial position. if the situation with screen out top you describe occurs, it doesnt matter what you want to call the defender (primary, secondary, tertiary) who picks the offensive player up off the screen if that defender establishes legal guarding position outside the RA, then they are allowed to maintain that legal guarding position all the way into the RA. the key point and the only thing that matters is where this defender establishes guarding postion, inside or outside of the RA after that the same rules for maintaining legal position are in effect.

Why then is it being called a block when simple because the defender has a heel on the line even if it wasn't there to being with.

Maybe it should be as you suggest, but that is not how it is being called.