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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 11:48am
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1. Do you consider SDF plays to be in the same category as Block/Charge plays to the basket? Why?

2. Do you have the same whistle tempo (timing) on both type of plays? Why?


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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 11:55am
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What is an SDF play?

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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:04pm
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I assume he means "Start, Develop, Finish" and, imo, block/charge is a SDF play, so I don't understand the first question.
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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:05pm
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I assume he means "Start, Develop, Finish" and, imo, block/charge is a SDF play, so I don't understand the first question.
That is what I thought and I also do not understand the question either.

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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:16pm
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Start develop finish plays require a patient whistle, no?

Do you use the same patient whistle for block/charge plays?
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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:19pm
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Start develop finish plays require a patient whistle, no?

Do you use the same patient whistle for block/charge plays?
I think most plays require a patient whistle when it involves contact.

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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:57pm
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I am a little confused here also...so what "plays" do you NOT officiate as Start-Develop-Finish plays???
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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:00pm
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Start develop finish plays require a patient whistle, no?

Do you use the same patient whistle for block/charge plays?
Yes.

Why would you not?

I think "all" plays are SDF.

I think "all" plays require a patient whistle.

So, while it's logically true that SCF plays require a patient whistle, phrasing it like that just seems confusing to me.
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I think that what the tref is trying to ask is about the difference between plays where the defender is tracking the dribbler/shooter through the play, which is certainly an SDF play, vs. intersecting with the dribbler/shooter with a collision. The latter really doesn't have three separate phases. It all happens at once. Boom. Nothing to see develop or finish.
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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:54pm
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I think that what the tref is trying to ask is about the difference between plays where the defender is tracking the dribbler/shooter through the play, which is certainly an SDF play, vs. intersecting with the dribbler/shooter with a collision. The latter really doesn't have three separate phases. It all happens at once. Boom. Nothing to see develop or finish.
Yes Camron, I believe that a patient whistle is the best practice on SDF plays to the basket.

But on a bang-bang block/charge play at L (when you're the only official with a call) is it best to make a quick, strong decision (when you're certain the defender did/didnt obtain LGP)? Or do you practice the patient whistle there too?
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I think that what the tref is trying to ask is about the difference between plays where the defender is tracking the dribbler/shooter through the play, which is certainly an SDF play, vs. intersecting with the dribbler/shooter with a collision. The latter really doesn't have three separate phases. It all happens at once. Boom. Nothing to see develop or finish.
Start, develop and finish does not always involve contact the entire way. The start might be the initial move and then the middle is the start of the first contact. Usually there is a close defender or someone closing before any contact. If you are refereeing the defense, you can anticipate some contact, but wait to call a foul if necessary.

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Old Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:33pm
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The play (usually) happens more quickly (that is, there's less time between start and finish), but the concept is still valid.
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I think that what the tref is trying to ask is about the difference between plays where the defender is tracking the dribbler/shooter through the play, which is certainly an SDF play, vs. intersecting with the dribbler/shooter with a collision. The latter really doesn't have three separate phases. It all happens at once. Boom. Nothing to see develop or finish.
BINGO! ...and this is a BIG pre-game disucussion. (3-Whistle) Who is going to take the big block/charge in the key? The T/C that started with the player going to the hoop? The L that has the "play" right in front of him, and probably had the secondary defender get in a position to "take the charge"?

We usually go old school around these parts...if it's coming at you as L...you get first shot at the call...while the T/C may come up with a fist...they are patient with the signal. (DO NOT WANT A BLARGE)

When I am Lead I usually don't have a "patient whistle" as discussed in the OP concerning a block/charge. I see the play, I come out with a big "BOOM", a signal and away we go.
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We usually go old school around these parts...if it's coming at you as L, you get first shot at the call, while the T/C may come up with a fist, they are patient with the signal. (DO NOT WANT A BLARGE)
That's the way we handle it here in my little corner of the Provisions State. And it certainly is old school because we've been doing it this way for over thirty years. I'm not saying that it's the right way, or the best way, it's just the way we do it around here.
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When I am Lead I usually don't have a "patient whistle" as discussed in the OP concerning a block/charge. I see the play, I come out with a big "BOOM", a signal and away we go.
You don't actually yell "BOOM", do you?
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