NBA finalizing flopping procedures

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

So how much effort does a player have to exert before it is ok to be knocked down by another player without being fined?

Despite the wishy-washy banter of some here in the past, we all know when a player is trying to embellish the contact and make it look like there was more contact than there really was. It really isn't that hard to tell.

All that needs to be done is to determine if a player was knocked backwards (even if he let himself be knocked backwards) vs. throwing himself backwards.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Despite the wishy-washy banter of some here in the past . . .
All that needs to be done is to determine if a player was knocked backwards (even if he let himself be knocked backwards) vs. throwing himself backwards.

Given that NBE officials are the best of the best, there'd be no reason any of them could possibly, given proper court positioning, miss a "faking being fouled" call if it needed to be called. Now, I certainly don't want to be guilty of "wishy-washy banter", but it sounds like an issue of what's there isn't called when it occurs, right? This is a no-brainer call for those who choose to call it when it happens.
On the other hand, this could only by speculation on my part since I haven't viewed a second of NBA basketball since 1994 or whenever it was that Charles Barkley almost led the Suns to a title prior to his advancement to cunning play-by-play announcer.

(PS: BMac, check your PM)

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Despite the wishy-washy banter of some here in the past, we all know when a player is trying to embellish the contact and make it look like there was more contact than there really was. It really isn't that hard to tell.

All that needs to be done is to determine if a player was knocked backwards (even if he let himself be knocked backwards) vs. throwing himself backwards.

I agree, so it there any purpose in making this a offense which warrents a fine? If they flop then no foul, if they are really knocked over then foul. Seems it doesn't need to go any further than this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I agree, so it there any purpose in making this a offense which warrents a fine? If they flop then no foul, if they are really knocked over then foul. Seems it doesn't need to go any further than this.

An extra layer of penalty. In case the officials actually make a foul call, and the added benefit of a negative reinforcement on top of a no-call.

You may see more no-calls, too. I wouldn't want to have a foul call on tape if it's determined by the league to be a flop.

[APG]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I agree, so it there any purpose in making this a offense which warrents a fine? If they flop then no foul, if they are really knocked over then foul. Seems it doesn't need to go any further than this.

Sure...it's another deterrent. Officials, in game, sometimes will fall for an embellishment no matter how good they are. If there's another deterrent, including fines and possible suspension, it's just another thing in the mind of a player that may make them think twice about embellishing.

Originally Posted by Adam

You may see more no-calls, too. I wouldn't want to have a foul call on tape if it's determined by the league to be a flop.

Doubt it...the league already reviews all tape and will upgrade regular fouls to FF1/FF2 or downgrade fouls as needed...or assess/rescind a T as needed. So this isn't a new thing for NBA officials.

[Adam]

If the fines are going to be publicized, it's a new aspect. Not a major new thing, but it might have a small effect.