Water on the court...

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by tref

Rule reference please?

10-1-5

ART. 5

Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations.

f. Not having the court ready for play following any time-out after any team warning for delay.

In the OP, the scenario was that the player spilled water "everywhere". If there's water on the court and the game is being delayed to clean it up, it would fall under 5b. Whether to enforce it or not is each crew's call to make.

[Multiple Sports]

Years ago (90's) Larry Rose called a technical foul in the ACC tourney for water on the floor and Fred Barakat (super of ACC) said he was wrong....

It was coming out of a TO and it took about 2 minutes to dry floor......

BNR - Do you remember this ?????? The game was NC State vs. ????

[APG]

Originally Posted by BigT

ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts:

I am getting ready to bounce the ball to the free-thrower and notice the kid getting a drink. He is not ready to play preventing the game from going on. That is why its illegal? That makes sense to me. If he spills it is a technical?

If a kid wants to drink water off to the side, he's not preventing the anything from happening. It becomes an issue if you have to delay the game because water has been spilled on the court. If the spillage and subsequent delay are coming out of a timeout, then a delay of game warning is appropriate. If not, by the strictest of reading, a technical foul could be issued. This would be something I'd see check to see what is "done in Rome."

How rough you want to be on a coach for allowing a mess to be made during a 30 second time out is up to you? It could be a warning, DoG, or technical depending?

I have developed a lot of grey becoming an official. I am wondering if they are even allowed to bring water onto the court during a 30 second time out or ever just for the purpose of delaying the game due to a mess. Maybe you let them hang themselves and give a quick DoG for being stupid. Then how to do phrase a T could happen?

Thanks for the responses and help.

Assuming it's not something that can be cleaned up quickly, I'll hit the team with a delay of game warning. There's nothing that prohibits water being drunk on the court during a timeout but they run a risk of being hit with a DOG/or T (if they've already had a DOG warning). I can honestly say, I've called only one DOG warning for water on the court and it was something that couldn't be cleaned up quickly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Years ago (90's) Larry Rose called a technical foul in the ACC tourney for water on the floor and Fred Barakat (super of ACC) said he was wrong....

It was coming out of a TO and it took about 2 minutes to dry floor......

BNR - Do you remember this ?????? The game was NC State vs. ????

Yep, I remember the situation. Larry Rose was right by rule but still disciplined by Mr. Barakat.

[Freddy]

Verify if this is relevant to the one point in the original question:

Coach: With his team needing a break and no time outs remaining, calls a player over to the bench during a free throw to talk to him and give him some water. Oops , the water spilled all over the floor. "Hey ref, give us time to clean this up over here."

Ref: "Okay, go ahead."

Coach: Has time now to gather a couple of players to give them needed instructions for the waning minutes of the game.

Other Coach : "Hey, what the . . . ? ? ?"

Naw, I guess if any of us observed malicious intent, we'd take care of it accordingly. This probably isn't so relevant after all. Though it's not above one or two coaches around here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

10-1-5

ART. 5

Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations.

f. Not having the court ready for play following any time-out after any team warning for delay.

In the OP, the scenario was that the player spilled water "everywhere". If there's water on the court and the game is being delayed to clean it up, it would fall under 5b. Whether to enforce it or not is each crew's call to make.

The ball was already live (in the OP)....it was "during" a FT. So, if the player misses, it is nothing, but if they make it creating a dead ball it becomes a T since a new live ball is being delayed???? I don't think so. The result should be the same regardless of the status of the ball.

The water spillage rule that has been referenced is for the resumption of play following a timeout.

The real question, ruleswise, is not whether it is delaying the game but whether the water bottle/cup is legal to be on the court whether it spills or not. If it is not legal, the player is not legally equipped, send them off the court. Would you let them play the game while walking around with an empty water bottle? If it is legal, you don't have any rule to enforce even if it happens to spill.

I believe that, technically, the a cup or bottle on the court is illegal equipment. Not allowed. The team can take a timeout, substitute, or wait until the end of the period.

[Adam]

I understand your point, Camron, but would you really prevent a player from taking a quick swig of water at his bench during a free throw? Assuming, of course, there haven't been any issues up to that point.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I understand your point, Camron, but would you really prevent a player from taking a quick swig of water at his bench during a free throw? Assuming, of course, there haven't been any issues up to that point.

Probably not....but I'm sure not issuing a T if they spill it unless there are additional circumstances.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Probably not....but I'm sure not issuing a T if they spill it unless there are additional circumstances.

I agree. The rule is there if we need it, but I can't imagine not being able to fix it before needing the T.

[Nevadaref]

PG Ref is 100% correct on the rule.
Camron posts exactly what I thought about for preventing a player from bringing water onto the court. It is illegal and players should not be doing this.
I would verbally warn first if there isn't a spill. If there is, then I would not hesitate to issue a T. What if no official saw the spill and the game continued with a player or official slipping and falling causing an injury? The coach and player jeopardized the safety of everyone on the court. That is unacceptable behavior.
The only formal warning for a spill comes after a time-out or intermission.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

10-1-5

ART. 5

Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations.

f. Not having the court ready for play following any time-out after any team warning for delay.

In the OP, the scenario was that the player spilled water "everywhere". If there's water on the court and the game is being delayed to clean it up, it would fall under 5b. Whether to enforce it or not is each crew's call to make.

PG Ref,

Your rule knowledge is excellent.

[PG_Ref]

Thanks ... Excellent training at our association.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The ball was already live (in the OP)....it was "during" a FT. So, if the player misses, it is nothing, but if they make it creating a dead ball it becomes a T since a new live ball is being delayed???? I don't think so. The result should be the same regardless of the status of the ball.

The water spillage rule that has been referenced is for the resumption of play following a timeout.

The real question, ruleswise, is not whether it is delaying the game but whether the water bottle/cup is legal to be on the court whether it spills or not. If it is not legal, the player is not legally equipped, send them off the court. Would you let them play the game while walking around with an empty water bottle? If it is legal, you don't have any rule to enforce even if it happens to spill.

I believe that, technically, the a cup or bottle on the court is illegal equipment. Not allowed. The team can take a timeout, substitute, or wait until the end of the period.

Camron

If he drinks and hands the drink back before play continues you are ok with this? If he drops the bottle on the court you would call a DoG? If he spills water everywhere you would call a T?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Thanks ... Excellent training at our association.

Excuse me, sir - I believe you have a small spot of brown on your nose there...