POI or AP?

APG · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:55am

For all double fouls, you always go to the POI. It just happens that sometimes, the AP is the POI.

bainsey · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:08am

POI. If there's no team control, AP.

APG · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:16am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

POI. If there's no team control, AP.

Correction, if there's no team control, and no goal, infraction, or end of period/half is involved.

bainsey · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:37am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Correction, if there's no team control, and no goal, infraction, or end of period/half is involved.

Right, but he's talking double personal fouls here. If a goal is involved, the double personal foul typically happened during the shot -- no team control. Your point on end of period is well taken: tweet, double foul, horn. I'm struggling to think of a scenario where a double foul would precede a violation.

APG · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:42am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Right, but he's talking double personal fouls here. If a goal is involved, the double personal foul typically happened during the shot -- no team control. Your point on end of period is well taken: tweet, double foul, horn. I'm struggling to think of a scenario where a double foul would precede a violation.

Player jockeying for rebounding position...double foul while a try is in flight. Try goes in. You had a double foul with no team control, and according to your statement, we'd go to the AP, but there's a goal involved, therefore you wouldn't use the AP and the opposing team would have an unrestricted throw-in on the endline.

The problem with your statement is you'll have officials that would at times, erroneously give the ball back to the team that just made a basket or force a change of the AP when it's not warranted, if they followed the rule you didn't fully qualify.

tref · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:43am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Right, but he's talking double personal fouls here. If a goal is involved, the double personal foul typically happened during the shot -- no team control.

True, but if the try was successful then the POI is endline running for the non-scoring team. No arrow necessary on successful trys when a DF occurs.

bainsey · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:57am

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Originally Posted by tref

True, but if the try was successful then the POI is endline running for the non-scoring team. No arrow necessary on successful trys when a DF occurs.

Yup, I'm awake now. Thanks.

Scrapper1 · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:40pm

Also, if there's a double personal during a throw-in. No team control, but you don't go to the arrow.

Multiple Sports · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:43pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Yup, I'm awake now. Thanks.

Took you til 1 o'clock on this one to wake up ???????

Adam · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Right, but he's talking double personal fouls here. If a goal is involved, the double personal foul typically happened during the shot -- no team control. Your point on end of period is well taken: tweet, double foul, horn. I'm struggling to think of a scenario where a double foul would precede a violation.

FT, DF on the jockeying, followed by the FT missing the iron.

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:58pm

Or, B1 commits a shooting foul. While the ball is in the air, B2 and A2 commit a double foul.

billyu2 · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Right, but he's talking double personal fouls here. If a goal is involved, the double personal foul typically happened during the shot -- no team control. Your point on end of period is well taken: tweet, double foul, horn. I'm struggling to think of a scenario where a double foul would precede a violation.

Ball in flight, double foul, offensive basket interference?

Zoochy · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:09am

The following case play best describes POI of Double fouls as well as location of administrating the Throw-in.

4.19.8 SITUATION E: A1 has control of the ball in Team A's frontcourt. Post
players A5 and B5 are pushing each other in an attempt to gain a more advantageous position on the block while (a) A1 is dribbling the ball; (b) the ball is in the air on a pass from A1 to A2; or (c) the ball is in the air on an unsuccessful try for goal by A1. An official calls a double personal foul on A5 and B5. RULING: In (a) and (b), Team A had control of the ball when the double foul occurred, and thus play will be resumed at the point of interruption. Team A will have a designated spot throw-in nearest the location where the ball was located when the double foul occurred. In (c), no team has control while a try for goal is in flight, and since the try was unsuccessful, there is no obvious point of interruption. Play will be resumed with an alternating possession throw-in nearest the location where the ball was located when the double foul occurred. Had the try been successful, the point of interruption would have been a throw-in for Team B from anywhere along the end line. (4-36; 6-4-3g; 7-5-3b)