FIBA vs. NBA/NCAA/NFHS

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

With regard to not whistling a shot clock violation if the defense gets immediate clear control:

There would be issues with timing rules. Under NBA rules, a team is only allowed a flat 24 seconds, from the time they get possession, if they commit a shot clock violation. This is especially of importance in late game situations:

Say there's 27.7 when Team A inbounds the ball with a fresh 24. A1 releases a field goal attempt before the buzzer but fails to cause the ball to hit the basket ring. B2 rebounds the ball with clear and immediate possession of the ball with 1.7 left on the clock.

FIBA: Play on as Team B has gotten clear and immediate possession of the ball thus no violation. This ends up not rewarding good defense. Also, under FIBA rules, since there are no live ball timeouts, basically Team B has to throw up a 3/4 shot. Basically, under FIBA rules, we're going to see end of game fouling, rather than the defense attempt to "play it out," with a lot more time left, not unlike NCAA-M.

NBA: Shot clock violation. Officials will reset the clock to 3.7 seconds. And now Team B, being rewarded for their good defense, will also be allowed to call a timeout and advance the ball to the 28' mark with a full 3.7 on the clock.

It's clear that the NBA doesn't want the offense taking more than 24 seconds off the clock (give or take a couple of tenths when they aren't clearly shown on the game clock) if they commit a shot clock violation as officials will correct this at any point in the game.

None of that really matters.....24 seconds is really just an arbitrary threshold. If they wanted a team to take no more than 24 seconds, the would require it to hit the rim by 24 seconds but they don't.

24 seconds was chosen solely in an effort to achieve a certain number of points per game.....that's all.

Sure, it would change the result of a few plays, but it does so in a way that doesn't really matter.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

None of that really matters.....24 seconds is really just an arbitrary threshold. If they wanted a team to take no more than 24 seconds, the would require it to hit the rim by 24 seconds but they don't.

24 seconds was chosen solely in an effort to achieve a certain number of points per game.....that's all.

Sure, it would change the result of a few plays, but it does so in a way that doesn't really matter.

Whether arbitrary or not, it doesn't matter. The NBA doesn't want teams taking more than 24 seconds if they commit a shot clock violation. It's how their rule and subsequent case book plays are written out. They even go so far as to correct the game clock very early in the game. For example, if a team opens the 2nd quarter committing a shot clock violation (with no resets) with 11:34 on the clock, you best believe they'll reset the clock to 11:36.

Those few plays are why the rule change would not be implemented in the NBA.

Side note:

24 seconds was picked by dividing 2880 seconds (number of seconds in a 48 minute game) by 120 shots between the two teams (Danny Biasone, Syracuse Nationals owner figured this to be the "sweet spot" between stall ball and a "wild shootout.")

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Whether arbitrary or not, it doesn't matter. The NBA doesn't want teams taking more than 24 seconds if they commit a shot clock violation. It's how their rule and subsequent case book plays are written out. They even go so far as to correct the game clock very early in the game. For example, if a team opens the 2nd quarter committing a shot clock violation (with no resets) with 11:34 on the clock, you best believe they'll reset the clock to 11:36.

Those few plays are why the rule change would not be implemented in the NBA.

Side note:

24 seconds was picked by dividing 2880 seconds (number of seconds in a 48 minute game) by 120 possessions between the two teams (Danny Biasone, Syracuse Nationals owner figured this to be the "sweet spot" between stall ball and a "wild shootout.")

APG:

Dang, you beat me to it. I am getting old (which MTD, Jr., and Andy keep reminding me). LOL

But one should remember that the FIBA shot clock has not always been 24 seconds; in fact it is a relatively recent change (withing the last 8 years I think). Originally it was 30 seconds and that is why the NCAA Women's shot clock is 30 seconds because the NAGWS Basketball Rules for women's college basketball was based upon FIBA Rules which used a 30 second shot clock.

MTD, Sr.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

None of that really matters.....24 seconds is really just an arbitrary threshold. If they wanted a team to take no more than 24 seconds, the would require it to hit the rim by 24 seconds but they don't.

24 seconds was chosen solely in an effort to achieve a certain number of points per game.....that's all.

Sure, it would change the result of a few plays, but it does so in a way that doesn't really matter.

My research long ago showed that some man way back in the 50s divided the length of a game by the number of possessions in a typical. His result led to the common 24 second shot clock.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

My research long ago showed that some man way back in the 50s divided the length of a game by the number of possessions in a typical. His result led to the common 24 second shot clock.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Side note:

24 seconds was picked by dividing 2880 seconds (number of seconds in a 48 minute game) by 120 shots between the two teams (Danny Biasone, Syracuse Nationals owner figured this to be the "sweet spot" between stall ball and a "wild shootout.")

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I should read the rest of the comments before I get all excited.

[JugglingReferee]

The only thing that I don't like about FIBA for young players is that they can't run an offense in 24 seconds. Grade 8 and below I'd like to see 35 seconds. High school: 30 seconds.