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tref Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:08pm

Worked a US Junior Nat'l 12th grade Girls tourny last night. Team A played a bad first half (turnovers, missed layups, missed FTs) and looked to initiate contact on offense. The players didnt get many of the alleged fouls they thought took place & were down by 12 at halftime with a 6-5 foul count. Coach didnt have any questions or comments during the first half.

Im L walking toward the division line (our chairs at the table) & coach A yells, "BLOW YOUR WHISTLE DOWN THERE!!" Whack...

Then he says, "What? :confused: Im just TELLING YOU to do YOUR JOB!!" Goodnight...

Team B makes 3 of 4 to start the second half, Team A is fired up & plays a helluva second half losing by (of course) 3.

The parents are giving me the biz for the entire half, the asst coach says nothing to us, we let him stand to coach. No harm, no foul, its summertime.

After the game the asst coach walks up & starts the old "you guys decided the game" routine. My partner told him the coach earned his Ts. Dude wasnt buying it, saying how hey couldve went to OT if it werent for the Ts, yada-yada-yada. I finally suggested that he take his L like a man & walk it off. He complied!!!
It doesnt pay to be nice, I should've sat him down! :(

Team As players came & shook our hands even though they lost. After being heckled for 16 minutes, that felt great as it showed that the players knew we called a good game & didnt have it out for them. They obviously know their coach & a few of their moms are idiots :rolleyes:

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:15pm

The 5-year old simply started beating the hell out of another kid, right in the middle of a play. Easy and obvious EJ. Was surprised to see him out there a couple of weeks later, and never saw him again after the 2nd incident.

The announcer was just a parent, on a PA system. Early in the game my partner actually had to tell him to stop being Howard Cosell during the play. The play was going toward my partner, and right as they handed the ball off for a reverse, the announcer told us all, "It's a REVERSE!!!!", tipping off the othre team.

Anyway, later in the game it was one of those plays where the RB hits the pile and the pile simply keeps moving forward, very very slowly. We didn't blow it, as he was still moving forward, when the PA guy goes nuts, "Blow it dead!" "Blow it dead! He's stopped!!!" (He wasn't). "GD-bomb, stop the F-ing play!" (still not dead). "What the F is wrong with you!!!"

Play finally goes down (I bet it was 15 yards in 30 seconds), and both partner and I go toss him. Turned out it was his kid.

Camron Rust Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 850549)
Actually I've never ejected an AAU coach. I've T'd up my share but have never had to send one packing.

I have....and it turned out he was actually a HS coach from a different part of the state....and it turned out that, a couple years later, I was assigned his team's game in state championship quarterfinal. He didn't say much to me that night. :)

Multiple Sports Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:41pm

Had to eject a coach a few weeks ago at a Hoop Group event in Philly...... The guy said he wasn't going to leave and one on the Hoop Group guys came over and told the guy he was going to have to leave if they wanted to play in anymore of their events. He left ( after he called me a cheater. a *****, a
punk) and an intern for the Hoop Group coached the rest of the game...........................and surprisingly NO PROBLEMS !!!!!!!!!!

Scrapper1 Tue Jul 31, 2012 07:15pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 850325)
I've been officiating 15 years and only ever thrown out one coach.

So, uh, guess who threw out a coach tonight. . .? :rolleyes:

tref Wed Aug 01, 2012 09:02am

Way 2 handle your biz Scrapper1 :)

Adam Wed Aug 01, 2012 09:34am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 850660)
So, uh, guess who threw out a coach tonight. . .? :rolleyes:

My apologies.

bainsey Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 850660)
So, uh, guess who threw out a coach tonight. . .? :rolleyes:

Cussin? Excessive BS?

Maineac Wed Aug 01, 2012 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 850549)
Actually I've never ejected an AAU coach. I've T'd up my share but have never had to send one packing.

Threw out my first this summer. Well earned.

DLH17 Wed Aug 01, 2012 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 850329)
I've had a partner give two Ts to a coach once (YMCA). But this was my first.

During my first couple of years of summer officiating, I personally gave 2 techs to a coach. The techs were very much earned, but someone - and I'm sure you would give the same, snaqs - encouraged me to follow a bit of protocol that might help reduce the odds that I would give the 2nd tech and increase the odds that my partner would whack him. I've stuck with that since then, and it has seemed to work well.

It's helped me be more accountable to my partner should I be administering that 2nd tech and it's kept me from giving that 2nd tech.

Bad news during the summer though, and I experienced this last week, I may have a partner that is less than willing to back you up and give that 2nd technical. I was forced to walk all the way across the floor and whack a coach a second time for calling me an expletive. I was irritated with the coach, but moreso in my partner for not having my back.

Finished venting.....

tref Wed Aug 01, 2012 01:50pm

You bang him, I'll run him
 
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Originally Posted by DLH17 (Post 850755)
Bad news during the summer though, and I experienced this last week, I may have a partner that is less than willing to back you up and give that 2nd technical.

Unfortunately the "he wasnt talking to me" guy works during the real season as well. I hate when a tag team situation presents itself but only one official has the courage to do the dirty work.

Adam Wed Aug 01, 2012 02:53pm

While I would have preferred to have my partner call the second, his stunt was performed 10 feet away from me as I was reporting his first T. The opportunity just wasn't there.

tref Wed Aug 01, 2012 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 850764)
While I would have preferred to have my partner call the second, his stunt was performed 10 feet away from me as I was reporting his first T. The opportunity just wasn't there.

IDK Snaqs, I guess it all boils down to our partners game awareness & willingness to take care of biz.
Personally, I have eyes on the coach after my partner whacks him. Especially while he's walking away &/or reporting the T! I'd like to think that while you're reaching for the whistle, I'm sticking.

I know its summer, but by the description of when the 2nd T came it doesnt sound like you & your partner conversed after the 1st one??

Adam Wed Aug 01, 2012 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 850766)
IDK Snaqs, I guess it all boils down to our partners game awareness & willingness to take care of biz.
Personally, I have eyes on the coach after my partner whacks him. Especially while he's walking away &/or reporting the T! I'd like to think that while you're reaching for the whistle, I'm sticking.

I know its summer, but by the description of when the 2nd T came it doesnt sound like you & your partner conversed after the 1st one??

I was standing by the table as I called it (I was T in transition), so I just turned to report it. It would have been interesting to see how the AC responded had I instead jogged to my partner before reporting.

The way it happened, I just didn't give my partner a chance to call it. I was right there, I was the target of the AC's "criticism," so I just dealt with it.

DLH17 Wed Aug 01, 2012 04:49pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 850756)
Unfortunately the "he wasnt talking to me" guy works during the real season as well. I hate when a tag team situation presents itself but only one official has the courage to do the dirty work.

ugh


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