The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Whack a mole (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/92150-whack-mole.html)

bainsey Sun Jul 29, 2012 09:06pm

Never had to toss anyone in basketball (I doubt I'll get to ten, let alone twenty), only once ever, in soccer, an AC in a U-12 girls' tournament. He was also a parent.

I'm always curious about what motivates such behavior that will get one tossed. Of those coaches you all tossed, how many were also parents?

JRutledge Sun Jul 29, 2012 09:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 850333)
Never had to toss anyone in basketball (I doubt I'll get to ten, let alone twenty), only once ever, in soccer, an AC in a U-12 girls' tournament. He was also a parent.

I'm always curious about what motivates such behavior that will get one tossed. Of those coaches you all tossed, how many were also parents?

I am certain the woman that I got rid in the AAU game a few weeks ago was a parent. If not a parent, certainly closer to one than a coach.

Peace

Adam Sun Jul 29, 2012 09:28pm

Summer ball, most coaches, especially ACs, are parents.

Sadly, the HC in my game should have been done as well. I called one on him as I tried to explain why he was seat belted. I couldn't get the first sentence out before he brought up a first half situation that I had to shut him down on.

Game manager came (running both gyms at this location) and baby sat him, and also gave him a bit of a rules lesson (I'm guessing he now understands the concept and consequences of indirect technical fouls.)

JRutledge Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 850335)
Summer ball, most coaches, especially ACs, are parents.

Sadly, the HC in my game should have been done as well. I called one on him as I tried to explain why he was seat belted. I couldn't get the first sentence out before he brought up a first half situation that I had to shut him down on.

Game manager came (running both gyms at this location) and baby sat him, and also gave him a bit of a rules lesson (I'm guessing he now understands the concept and consequences of indirect technical fouls.)

This is the reason that most HS and college coaches cannot stand AAU coaches. For one they hardly can coach. Secondly they have no idea of rules or standards, which is why I had to constantly explain how to call a timeout to a particular coach (from Oklahoma BTW). And then I had another coach suggest that I had to give a warning before I T'd her behind up (from Michigan), but somehow left when I gave the second T without incident.

Peace

Adam Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850338)
This is the reason that most HS and college coaches cannot stand AAU coaches. For one they hardly can coach. Secondly they have no idea of rules or standards, which is why I had to constantly explain how to call a timeout to a particular coach (from Oklahoma BTW). And then I had another coach suggest that I had to give a warning before I T'd her behind up (from Michigan), but somehow left when I gave the second T without incident.

Peace

I get that. To his credit, he came up and apologized to me after the game was over.

Raymond Mon Jul 30, 2012 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850338)
...And then I had another coach suggest that I had to give a warning before I T'd her...Peace

During a Hoop Groop game I T'd A1 for elbowing B1 in the chest after I had just whistled B1 for a foul. Coach A then proceeded to tell me what a great kid A1 is and finished his monologue by stating that I should have given a warning first. :rolleyes: Ironically Coach A earned his own T 2 or 3 minutes later (while his team was shooting free throws).

The_Rookie Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850315)
You see things in summer you would never see or hear during the regular season. Interesting is a nice way to put their behavior.

Peace

My experience as well! As a young official, I started working some higher level AAU ball this summer and ran into nutty coaches. Truth be told I was taken aback at the behavior I saw because the regular HS season is not like that. I know it was a great learning expereince and I did npt handle everything right. To top it off my summer assignor was watching and he chatted with my partner and I whho is also a young official.

My concern is hopefully this one game will be viewed just as that one game and not held against me!

JRutledge Mon Jul 30, 2012 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 850433)
My experience as well! As a young official, I started working some higher level AAU ball this summer and ran into nutty coaches. Truth be told I was taken aback at the behavior I saw because the regular HS season is not like that. I know it was a great learning expereince and I did npt handle everything right. To top it off my summer assignor was watching and he chatted with my partner and I whho is also a young official.

My concern is hopefully this one game will be viewed just as that one game and not held against me!

Well if anyone has any sense that you work with, they will realize the cesspool that AAU can be and is with many officials. Again if I go to a college camp and there are 2 or 3 ejections and the coaches are crying to clinicians about why they got ejected, then that is all you need to know about what happens in these leagues. That is why I said I doubt seriously that anything happening in these games as it relates to coaches is going to be accurately evaluated or set a standard for your entire career. I do not know about you, but here no one gives these games out with the intention to prove something. Heck the only thing that is considered in my area is often you want the most experience or respected officials working the title games if you can. But since many experienced officials either refuse or do not make themselves available for these games in the first place, this is often whatever officials are around works the best games available. And in the tournament I worked, there were many officials working games that were over their head from a talent and level perspective.

Peace

MD Longhorn Mon Jul 30, 2012 01:25pm

Seems I'm good for about 1 a year - never know which sport it's going to pop up in though. 18 years in 2 sports, 7, 3, 3, 1, and 1 in others. My first? a 5 year old boy in football. My 2nd? Same kid a few weeks later. My 3rd an announcer.

It got more normal after that.

grunewar Mon Jul 30, 2012 03:16pm

me too.....
 
I've only tossed one coach. Rec League. Blah, blah, blah.......

His team was down by a bunch when he left and came back to win...... whoda thought? :rolleyes:

BillyMac Mon Jul 30, 2012 04:52pm

I Demand A Recount ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 850464)
I've only tossed one coach. Rec League. Blah, blah, blah.

That doesn't even count.

amusedofficial Tue Jul 31, 2012 03:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 850331)
Are we counting regular season games or these summer/off-season contests. If that is the case I have no idea how many I have sent to the showers. I know I ejected a coach in AAU this year and one during the college season this past season. I cannot remember the last ones before those times. Then again I have not counted either.

Peace

If you're doing AAU and haven't ejected a coach, you haven't been doing AAU.

Raymond Tue Jul 31, 2012 08:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 850533)
If you're doing AAU and haven't ejected a coach, you haven't been doing AAU.

Actually I've never ejected an AAU coach. I've T'd up my share but have never had to send one packing.

grunewar Tue Jul 31, 2012 08:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 850464)
I've only tossed one coach. Rec League. Blah, blah, blah.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 850483)
That doesn't even count.

I've whacked my fair share for sure. But the opportunity hasn't presented itself and I guess I haven't felt they crossed the line.

But, I have three games tonight.... "So you're telling me there's a chance... *YEAH!*" ;) (Dumb and Dumber quote)

bainsey Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 850442)
My first? a 5 year old boy in football. My 2nd? Same kid a few weeks later. My 3rd an announcer.

Okay, I'm intrigued. Details, please?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:37pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1