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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

So you had no idea who threw the ball...and you wrongly assumed it was a boyfriend. Then...you let a player get away with that act because "she's a female."

And now you wonder about pressing charges?

You really need to adjust your thinking. Your condescending attitude toward women's basketball comes through loud and clear.

Originally Posted by tref

Would you prefer that I socked the big girl up as I would if it were a dude??
So you're a wimmens official? If so, I didnt mean to offend you & what you do.
But no, I do not love that brand of basketball & its within my rights not to!

Tref, I'm going to go a step further based on your reaction to BSR's comments: If you don't like women's basketball - for whatever reason - avoid doing those games. I'm not just saying this as an NCAAW official (I still work boys' high school). I'm saying this because it sounds as though you handled the discipline issue differently because the players were female, at least in this case.

In the OP you wrote:

1. "a player on the losing team is whining for a foul. I let her vent all the way back on defense."
2. "A couple trips up & down, shes still on the bench. I tell the table crew she has been ejected, she leaves or its a forfeit."
3. "I call the game, turn towards the table area, take two step toward my chair & BOOM I'm beamed in the head extremely hard by the basketball."
4. "my partner says it was the player that threw a two-handed overhead ball at me. I tell her she gets a pass only because shes a female!"

Ask yourself: would you have let all of this happen if the players were male? With #4 the answer is obvious. Later on you said the incident reminded you to keep your eyes on the players - regardless of age/sex - at all times.

Bottom line, the woman was out of line and should be punished in some way. What I'm saying is when we work games we don't like - for whatever reason - our guard can drop. I don't like working rec league or games with kids below H.S. age, so I don't. I don't like any negative feelings affecting my game/concentration.

One other thing: I've found I have to be more aware of emotional outbursts when I'm officiating girls/women. This isn't a bias on my part: assignors (male and female) and female officials have told me over the years that women get upset at things guys don't. Heck, I've had girls' H.S. games where players have burst into tears because they didn't get a call.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Tref, I'm going to go a step further based on your reaction to BSR's comments: If you don't like women's basketball - for whatever reason - avoid doing those games. I'm not just saying this as an NCAAW official (I still work boys' high school). I'm saying this because it sounds as though you handled the discipline issue differently because the players were female, at least in this case.

Please believe me, I do try to avoid their games as much as possible!! That's why I only tryout & currently work higher levels on the mens side. At this particular gym they run mens & womens on two courts on the same night. I was scheduled for mens every Tuesday except this one as everybody has to work at least once on the womens side.

In the OP you wrote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

1. "a player on the losing team is whining for a foul. I let her vent all the way back on defense."
2. "A couple trips up & down, shes still on the bench. I tell the table crew she has been ejected, she leaves or its a forfeit."
3. "I call the game, turn towards the table area, take two step toward my chair & BOOM I'm beamed in the head extremely hard by the basketball."
4. "my partner says it was the player that threw a two-handed overhead ball at me. I tell her she gets a pass only because shes a female!"

Ask yourself: would you have let all of this happen if the players were male? .

Off-season yes, I allow males or females to whine on a no call as long as its not disrespectful or laced with cuss words. If we go to the other end & back & they are still whining I usually say "you made your point 5 minutes ago, lets move on." If that doesnt end it, then I use the tools we are given.
Warn, whack, toss...

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

With #4 the answer is obvious. Later on you said the incident reminded you to keep your eyes on the players - regardless of age/sex - at all times.

Nah, it didnt remind me, it taught me not to underestimate anybody anymore.
I never thought to expect that from a woman. But I guess thats why they say expect the unexpected.
Lesson learned (for real this time) trust me!

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Bottom line, the woman was out of line and should be punished in some way. What I'm saying is when we work games we don't like - for whatever reason - our guard can drop. I don't like working rec league or games with kids below H.S. age, so I don't. I don't like any negative feelings affecting my game/concentration.

One other thing: I've found I have to be more aware of emotional outbursts when I'm officiating girls/women. This isn't a bias on my part: assignors (male and female) and female officials have told me over the years that women get upset at things guys don't. Heck, I've had girls' H.S. games where players have burst into tears because they didn't get a call.

True story! I looked forward to working the games though, I embrace working playoff/final four situations at any level with any gender. All the marbles are on the table & it can be quite exciting as well as competitive.
I've heard that about female players over the years as well. I will call a held ball much quicker in womens games than mens.