Miami Heat v. New York Knicks: LeBron Block Attempt and Foul

[APG]

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[tref]

Nice block, great teaching moment... dont call above the rim plays as L.

[johnny d]

Disagree, or rather, I think your statement needs more specificity. I would say the lead needs to stay off action above the rim, but on this type of play there can be body contact occuring below the rim that the lead needs to officiate.

[JugglingReferee]

Calling a foul on LeBron here and there is good for the game - it quiets some of the conspiracy theorists.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Calling a foul on LeBron here and there is good for the game - it quiets some of the conspiracy theorists.

I'm pretty sure Mike Callahan doesn't think about that crap when it comes to his playcalling.

[tref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm pretty sure Mike Callahan doesn't think about that crap when it comes to his playcalling.

True story... he saw the body contact but unfortunately he didnt see that the block was very clean & prior to the contact. 95/5 at best.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm pretty sure Mike Callahan doesn't think about that crap when it comes to his playcalling.

I know... was just havin' some fun.

[johnny d]

No foul, jus an incredible block.

[JetMetFan]

The first time I saw the play was in a highlight at real speed. I didn't think it was a foul then and I still don't. IMO, LBJ's body contact didn't put Anthony at a disadvantage. If the contact had come before the block my opinion would've been different.

[Adam]

I've got nothing, the contact clearly falls under the incidental contact rule, as it doesn't prevent Anthony from doing anything. The displacement, which is after the block, isn't nearly enough to call it on that alone.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have made that call from the L position; but I would have wanted it back if I did.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

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That looks like damn near the same play. Both James and Wade make contact with Melo on both plays and Melo lands on his feet both times. I am seriously not sure why these plays would be called any differently.

Thanks again for following through with this request.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That looks like damn near the same play. Both James and Wade make contact with Melo on both plays and Melo lands on his feet both times. I am seriously not sure why these plays would be called any differently.

Thanks again for following through with this request.

Peace

I would say Wade was more vertical on his play than Lebron was, but I still wouldn't have had a foul on Lebron.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm color-blind and horrible at identifying purple so I just learned something new. And if someone wants to say that "protect the shooter" is in the NFHS rules then the closest reference would be the wording in ruling 4.1.1 from the case book.

Well at least you know or admit that you are color-blind and realize how you could not identify a certain color.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would say Wade was more vertical on his play than Lebron was, but I still wouldn't have had a foul on Lebron.

I also agree with that, but both defenders are jumping towards Melo. That is why I say these plays are basically the same. Of course they are not exactly the same, but if one is a foul, then the other one must be a foul too if you use the same basic philosophy IMO. Or if you do not use that same philosophy, then someone would have to explain to me what is the affect on normal movement as stated in Rule 4-27.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That looks like damn near the same play. Both James and Wade make contact with Melo on both plays and Melo lands on his feet both times. I am seriously not sure why these plays would be called any differently.

Thanks again for following through with this request.

Peace

Wade more or less went strait up while Lebron came flying across the lane to get there.

Wade was in LGP and jumped up as he's permitted to do.

While I can see a no call on Lebron, I don't see that a call is wrong with the way he came into the play....he didn't have LGP and was not in Melo's path at any time. Often that play is passed on, but technically, bainsey is correct.

[jump stop]

Did Carmelo travel on the 1st play posted? Did he bring pivot foot back to floor, did not land simultaneosly?