Miami Heat v. New York Knicks: LeBron Block Attempt and Foul

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not back when Bill Russell played:

I don't see what's the point of this clip when discussing the play at hand but...different era and different style of play...not nearly the same amount of athleticism nor above the rim play that there is now...even in just the college play.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Billy, you did not watch much of that video did you?

Peace

Obviously not...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Some people reach the double bonus in each half of every game they work... It's true!!!

And some guys have near fights break out because they don't call anything short of a mugging. Neither of which is really relevant to this discussion, though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Billy, you did not watch much of that video did you?

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Obviously not.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Different era and different style of play, not nearly the same amount of athleticism nor above the rim play that there is now.

Agree. But it was still fun to watch back then, and, at least for me, today. Willis Reed, of the New York Knicks, used similar tactics, not trying to block every shot, but waiting for the right time, right player, right place, etc. Today, players try to block just about every shot that they have any chance to block. Certainly makes for a more physical game, a more difficult game to officiate, and some may say, a more exciting game.

Thanks for taking a look at the video guys. I hope that you got some enjoyment out of it, and didn't find it a complete waste of your time.

[APG]

You have a knack for derailing threads and going off-top Billy but...

Are we getting on players for attempting to block too many shots? If one has a shot at blocking a shot, why shouldn't they attempt to? Should Scott Brooke tell Serge Ibekaka he's attempting to block too many shots...even when he lead the league this year with over 3.5 blocks/game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You have a knack for derailing threads and going off-top Billy but...

Are we getting on players for attempting to block too many shots? If one has a shot at blocking a shot, why shouldn't they attempt to? Should Scott Brooke tell Serge Ibekaka he's attempting to block too many shots...even when he lead the league this year with over 3.5 blocks/game?

Or what about that no one seems to block the shot after release of the ball, they try to block shots out of the shooter's hands. As you said very different techniques and styles at play.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not sure why we don't protect shooters who get their shot blocked, but we don't.

Never understood this. Where does it say that sufficient body contact is allowed if a clean hand is on the ball?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Never understood this. Where does it say that sufficient body contact is allowed if a clean hand is on the ball?

Show me in the rulebook where the term, "Protect the shooter" is even listed? Just like that is a standard that many use, so is the philosophy to not call a foul on this kind of contact.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Today, players try to block just about every shot that they have any chance to block. Certainly makes for a more physical game, a more difficult game to officiate, and some may say, a more exciting game.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Are we getting on players for attempting to block too many shots? If one has a shot at blocking a shot, why shouldn't they attempt to?

No. At least, I'm not. No reason, one should go ahead and try to block it.

I said that it makes a "more difficult game to officiate". I probably should have said that it makes a more challenging game to officiate, and I'm sure that many of you are like me, and enjoy the challenge of officiating basketball.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

show me in the rulebook where the term, "protect the shooter" is even listed?

nfhs 10-6-1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

nfhs 10-6-1

Really? A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s), or by bending his/her body into other than a normal position; nor use any rough tactics.

Sorry, don't see "protecting the shooter" in there.

You said you are going to your first camp this off-season, right?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

nfhs 10-6-1

Well you may have to look for another reference because nothing in that rule uses the language "protect the shooter." And there is nothing in that specific reference that talks about even a shooter.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well you may have to look for another reference because nothing in that rule uses the language "protect the shooter." And there is nothing in that specific reference that talks about even a shooter.

"Shooter" is covered by another noun in that rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

"Shooter" is covered by another noun in that rule.

Sometimes just admit when you are wrong instead of trying to massage the English language to fit your interpretations.

"Protect the shooter" is an officiating term. Its commonly accepted definition is that we need to protect jump shooters from the time they go airborne, through the release, and all the way back to the floor.

It you want to give it your own definition, fine, but don't insult our reading abilities and acquired knowledge by telling us it's in NFHS Rule 10-6-1.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

"Shooter" is covered by another noun in that rule.

Interesting. Next time I will read your mind and hope that everyone follows so we can all be consistent. As no one I have ever met used that rule as a justification for the term "protect the shooter" which is mostly used as an officiating jargon to explain that we should follow the shooter to the floor and make sure they are not killed. This play in question not only did the shooter not get killed, he landed on two feet and was able to participate in the play if a foul was not called. If that is a foul on a shooter, then any contact on the shooter is illegal and that is not what any rule states, even the reference you made with 10-6-1.

Peace