Throw-in violation
Yes, I tried the search function... and I'm still :confused:
Looking for an NFHS & NCAA ruling on how to resume this play: After a made basket A1s throw in pass to the f/c is caught by A2 who is standing on the endline. I think A2 caused the OOB violation instead of A1 causing a throw-in violation. My understanding of both codes is that we go to the original throw-in spot when the thrower violates. Thanks |
Do a search on Interps. NCAA-M say it is a throw-in violation (return to original throw-in spot), NCAA-W say A2 caused the ball to go OOB.
There is a thread somewhere within the last 2-3 months discussing this play and ruling. |
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Thanks BadNewsRef
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BNR I did read that thread & like many of our threads, it didnt seem as though we ever came to a conclusion.
Guess I'll just do what I feel is right (Lord forgive me). |
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You've got two choices here. Either A2 caused an OOB violation, or A2 caused a throw in violation. Either way, it's by A2, and the spot is the same.
If this was a spot throw in, then it's an OOB violation on A2. Several years ago, the NFHS quietly changed this exact play to a TI violation (I think, by accident), then quietly changed it back. |
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I think it's an important enough, likely enough to happen, that clearly defined wording needs to be added to the rule book. |
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SITUATION 3: During an alternating-possession throw-in for Team A, thrower A1 passes the ball directly on the court where it contacts (a) A2 or (b) B2, while he/she is standing on a boundary line. RULING: Out-of-bounds violation on (a) A2; (b) B2. The player was touched by the ball while out of bounds, thereby ending the throw-in. The alternating-possession arrow is reversed and pointed toward Team B's basket when the throw-in ends (when A2/B2 is touched by the ball). A throw-in is awarded at a spot nearest the out-of-bounds violation for (a) Team B; (b) Team A. (4-42-5; 6-4-4; 9-2-2; 9-3-2) 7-2-1 If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out. 2/21/12 Throw-in violations (Rule 9-5.1.b) The interpretation of 9-5.1.b has been that when a player is standing on a boundary line or straddling a boundary line when she catches a passed ball from a thrower-in, that player has caused the ball to be out of bounds... Art Hyland has me confused :( |
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A seems more like a TI violation on A2 and B is clearly an OOB violation. C is a bit more hazy; but it doesn't really matter, as A2 is the violator either way. |
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NFHS 9-2-2 says that "The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out-of-bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched." [Complete off-topic question: why are there hyphens in "from out-of-bounds" but no hyphens in "inbounds or out of bounds"? I would never have noticed it except that I just typed it out :confused: ] Ok, so prior to today, I would have stated with 100% confidence that a throw-in pass that was caught by a player who was standing out of bounds (out-of-bounds?) would be put back in play at the spot where it was caught. After all, the inbounder did his job. He threw the ball so that it touched a player out of bounds before it went out-of-bounds untouched. The violation must have been committed by the player who caught the ball, and so that's where the ball would be put back in play. Today, however, after reading the PENALTY section that follows 9-2, I'm not so sure. It reads as follows: Quote:
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I'm just going to pose the question to the people I work for & call it how they want it called.
*things that make you go hmmmm* How can the NBA book be thinner & still be written more clearly? |
Scrappy, my only issue with Mr. Hyland's response to you is his use of "designated spot" on the endline. If the score was after a made basket by the opposing team, and then team B violates on the ensuing throw-in (never allowing the throw-in to end), then why would A's throw in be at a designated spot? Wouldn't they retain the right to run the endline?
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