Nuggets Play

[Toren]

APG

Any chance we can see 6:41 in the 4th quarter, Denver vs. Minnesota.

There's a restricted arc play that I wanted to get people's insight on, granted this isn't used for High School yet, but wanted thoughts on timing of whistle and application of restricted arc.

[APG]

[JRutledge]

I could have lived with a no call here, but if there is going to be a call based on the RA as I understand it, it would be on the defense.

Peace

[Toren]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I could have lived with a no call here, but if there is going to be a call based on the RA as I understand it, it would be on the defense.

Peace

What did you think of the timing of the whistle?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

What did you think of the timing of the whistle?

Fanboy

[Toren]

Originally Posted by tref

Fanboy

Not at all, I didn't mind the call. I personally thought the contact was marginal, but well within my limited knowledge of the restricted arc rule. So I had no problem with the block. What struck me as weird, was just the timing of the whistle.

Anyone else think the whistle was just unusually late?

[twocentsworth]

Talking NCAA-M here: a secondary defender CAN be in/over the restricted area and make contact with the offensive player....so long as the contact is not deemed to be illegal (a block, a charge, or otherwise...).

Using the NBAs' terminology, I view this contact as being "incidental contact" or "marginal contact". I do not view it as "contact that warrants a foul". I would not have blown the whistle.

I do not have a problem with the perceived "lateness" of the whistle...The best officials will see the "start, development, and finish" of a play. That is what the Lead did here.....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Talking NCAA-M here: a secondary defender CAN be in/over the restricted area and make contact with the offensive player....so long as the contact is not deemed to be illegal (a block, a charge, or otherwise...).

Agree.

[tref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Using the NBAs' terminology, I view this contact as being "incidental contact" or "marginal contact". I do not view it as "contact that warrants a foul". I would not have blown the whistle.

Take a look at the right leg of the defender that moves the airborne shooter slightly off of his path. Subtle but effective tactic IMO... enough to warrant a whistle on the miss, but not nearly enough to award an AND1.

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I do not have a problem with the perceived "lateness" of the whistle...The best officials will see the "start, development, and finish" of a play. That is what the Lead did here.....

I thought the L did a great job of being patient! It seems as though he called the "walk under" as you see the defender takes two steps to his right after the shooter alighted & intiates lower body contact while standing in the arc.
I guarentee you had the shot went in it would've been a play-on.

Late & right trumps quick & wrong.

[berserkBBK]

I have a no call here.
I've worked with partners that have whistles on plays like this (After a missed shot). I've asked about it and there response is they don't like giving "ticky tack and ones" or "sloppy and ones."

[bainsey]

Would 4-White meet the definition of a secondary defender? I don't see any other defender in question.

I don't have a problem with the patient whistle, but I'm not convinced there was a foul here, so I'd have nothing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Toren

What did you think of the timing of the whistle?

I honestly do not know what that has to do with this play? It seemed fine to me what the official's timing was, I just think it was marginal contact looking at the replay, but I do see why something was called in real time. But I would hope I would not make that call considering no one seemed to be displaced and the defense simply stood there for the most part and prevented an easy shot. The only thing I would possibly question is if he made the call because of the arm contact but it appears he called a block instead.

Peace

[tref]

Hmmm I guess the calling official & myself are the only ones that saw the defender take 2 steps to his right & walk under the airborne shooter while in the arc

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by tref

Hmmm I guess the calling official & myself are the only ones that saw the defender take 2 steps to his right & walk under the airborne shooter while in the arc

I see the defender giving ground after contact. Nothing illegal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Hmmm I guess the calling official & myself are the only ones that saw the defender take 2 steps to his right & walk under the airborne shooter while in the arc

I guess, because not only was he standing in that spot before the shooter went airborne (and I believe NBA rules are a little different here) the defender was standing in that spot. According to NCAA Rules and NF Rules that looks like he is in a LGP to me. It is very close too, but if it is that close I am giving the benefit to the defender, then again that is me.

Peace