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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:52pm
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I believe all these schools participating in this tournament are Prep schools. This basically means they do not play under the state rules that normal schools play in and would not allow these teams to play in this tournament otherwise. At least that is the case from my state and these types of schools are often not present in my state, but there were a couple of attempt. And at least some of the East Coast model the players are sometimes older or have finished their HS career and join these teams in order to make themselves noticed by college teams. This is the reason they often call these schools "Basketball factories." It is questionable if there are even consistent academic standards used to even educate those kids outside of basketball.

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I believe all these schools participating in this tournament are Prep schools. This basically means they do not play under the state rules that normal schools play in and would not allow these teams to play in this tournament otherwise. At least that is the case from my state and these types of schools are often not present in my state, but there were a couple of attempt. And at least some of the East Coast model the players are sometimes older or have finished their HS career and join these teams in order to make themselves noticed by college teams. This is the reason they often call these schools "Basketball factories." It is questionable if there are even consistent academic standards used to even educate those kids outside of basketball.

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I was just going to post something similar. Most states that I'm aware of (in the midwest anyway) don't allow teams to compete in "national" tournaments such as this. It's a shame that ESPN promotes this as a High School tournament as the only thing "High School" about this tournament is that the players may (or may not) be of High School age.
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It's a shame that ESPN promotes this as a High School tournament as the only thing "High School" about this tournament is that the players may (or may not) be of High School age.
Amen.
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I was just going to post something similar. Most states that I'm aware of (in the midwest anyway) don't allow teams to compete in "national" tournaments such as this. It's a shame that ESPN promotes this as a High School tournament as the only thing "High School" about this tournament is that the players may (or may not) be of High School age.
And given the no-call under the rim, I'm assuming they're not using HS rules, even if it's on a HS court.
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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:25pm
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It is questionable if there are even consistent academic standards used to even educate those kids outside of basketball.
I don't think its questionable at all.
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Old Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:28pm
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And given the no-call under the rim, I'm assuming they're not using HS rules, even if it's on a HS court.
Not sure I follow. Many people pass on marginal contact (based on their judgement). Actually I think college officials call much more than HS officials want to call.

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Not sure I follow. Many people pass on marginal contact (based on their judgement). Actually I think college officials call much more than HS officials want to call.

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One of the plays Jet posted looked like a good PC, but was no-called. It was low with a secondary defender. I could be misremembering it, though.
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I was just going to post something similar. Most states that I'm aware of (in the midwest anyway) don't allow teams to compete in "national" tournaments such as this. It's a shame that ESPN promotes this as a High School tournament as the only thing "High School" about this tournament is that the players may (or may not) be of High School age.
It doesn't appear to be all prep schools all the time. On the girls' side, Dr. Phillips beat Murry Bergtraum from NYC for the title last year. Bergtraum is a regular old public school, albeit one which has won the NYC girls' AA championship 14 years in a row.
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I believe all these schools participating in this tournament are Prep schools. This basically means they do not play under the state rules that normal schools play in and would not allow these teams to play in this tournament otherwise. At least that is the case from my state and these types of schools are often not present in my state, but there were a couple of attempt. And at least some of the East Coast model the players are sometimes older or have finished their HS career and join these teams in order to make themselves noticed by college teams. This is the reason they often call these schools "Basketball factories." It is questionable if there are even consistent academic standards used to even educate those kids outside of basketball.

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You mean the kids aren't going there to get ready for Calculus?
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You mean the kids aren't going there to get ready for Calculus?
They don't know much about History. They don't know much about Biology. They don't know much about Science Books. They don't know much about the French they took.

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They don't know much about History. They don't know much about Biology. They don't know much about Science Books. They don't know much about the French they took.

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Say, you should use your words as lyrics in a song. They have a catchy ring to them.
We aren't dating ourselves or anything here. Or, are we?
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Say, you should use your words as lyrics in a song. They have a catchy ring to them.
We aren't dating ourselves or anything here. Or, are we?
Just so you know, that song was made before I was born. So I am not dating anything. I just happen to be around someone that loved Sam Cooke.

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Just so you know, that song was made before I was born. So I am not dating anything. I just happen to be around someone that loved Sam Cooke.

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Sorry, young man. However, I began junior high the year (19XX) that "Wonderful World" came out.
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Lot of guys in Brd. 12 emulate one of their own who made to the NBA......Scott Foster. As an IAABO guy, I am kinda dissapointed that they
didn't use IAABO mechanics throughtout the games. I think a lot of them were trying to look pretty or be wannabees.....

Nevada Ref - I know that they are some of your boys and I am not callin them out, but they looked like they were at a D league audition at times.....
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