Another episode of "T or No T"...you make the call

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nothing. The momentum of his jump has him going away from the basket and he grabs the rim to steady himself.

I don't think I'd have called the T, but I don't buy that he's steadying himself. He's pulling himself up to get an extra couple of feet on the jump.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nothing. The momentum of his jump has him going away from the basket and he grabs the rim to steady himself.

Ding, Ding, Ding this is the winner for me.
He is going under the rim, during the jump he rotates his body 180 degrees from his original direction. When he dunks his hips and legs are not yet vertical under his upper torso. The grasp and pull, brings his body vertical he then lets go and returns to the floor. Nothing other than insuring his ability to land safely.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

If reasonable officials would debate it, then that's probably an indication that there's not enough there.

Reasonable officials? On the Forum? You have got to be kidding? Right?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This is not a T. The legs coming up as they did was part of the jumping action for the dunk. His twist isn't a foul either.

[tomegun]

I watched this clip, read all the interesting comments, and watched the dunk several more times. I have nothing.

I am not tall enough to do this, but when I was a youngster in the motherland (Indiana) we often played on lowered rims. I know this may be too much in the weeds, but I think there are a few things to consider. First, where he dunks the ball on the rim has less give than if he dunked the ball in front. The force of the dunk itself is going to cause him to go up. I just don't think he can dunk the ball with force and avoid this. Second, the move itself is something I looked at. If he dunked and didn't grab the rim as much, his momentum would have likely kept him moving parallel to the end line and he may have landed on his back since his feet were not under him. I think this is what BNR was referring to.

I have to say that having done something similar myself, even on a much lower rim, I understand why he did what he did. I just don't see a T here.

For those who do have a T, do you think there were any plays in the championship game last night worthy of a T for hanging on the rim? I don't remember the time or the team, but there was one play - on the right of the screen as I was watching at home - that should have been a T. What do you think?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tomegun

For those who do have a T, do you think there were any plays in the championship game last night worthy of a T for hanging on the rim? I don't remember the time or the team, but there was one play - on the right of the screen as I was watching at home - that should have been a T. What do you think?

Perhaps. I think each level of game gets a slightly different threshold of what it takes to make a T. In a HS game (like the one being discussed through the thread), the threshold is lower. In a college game, the threshold is higher. In the NBA, it is even higher. Same rule, just different levels of acceptable actions. The OP was a HS game.

In the situation you refer to in the championship game (from memory) the player did grab the rim but only did so until he stabilized and dropped. Unlike the player in the OP, he didn't yank himself up a foot or more higher than he needed to do.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps. I think each level of game gets a slightly different threshold of what it takes to make a T. In a HS game (like the one being discussed through the thread), the threshold is lower. In a college game, the threshold is higher. In the NBA, it is even higher. Same rule, just different levels of acceptable actions. The OP was a HS game.

In the situation you refer to in the championship game (from memory) the player did grab the rim but only did so until he stabilized and dropped. Unlike the player in the OP, he didn't yank himself up a foot or more higher than he needed to do.

I can understand what you are saying Camron, but I don't agree with what you are saying about the NBA threshold. Some things in the NBA are dealt with much quicker/better than other levels. Either players hang on the rim - on national TV - more than college or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. Either NBA players hand check more than college players or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. JMO

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I can understand what you are saying Camron, but I don't agree with what you are saying about the NBA threshold. Some things in the NBA are dealt with much quicker/better than other levels. Either players hang on the rim - on national TV - more than college or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. Either NBA players hand check more than college players or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. JMO

Admittedly, I don't spend a lot of time watching the NBA so you're probably right. I was just extrapolating based on some limited observations of what I've seen in the NBA in the past.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I can understand what you are saying Camron, but I don't agree with what you are saying about the NBA threshold. Some things in the NBA are dealt with much quicker/better than other levels. Either players hang on the rim - on national TV - more than college or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. Either NBA players hand check more than college players or the NBA officials are less hesitant to call it. JMO

Exactly. I am also not a big NBA fan/watcher, but when I do, they call their directives much more consistently than any NCAA game I see. I saw things last night I felt should have been called that if these were NBA officials, would have been called.

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