Needed college basketball rule changes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Actually, they need to eliminate it. This is a totally stupid rule driven by huge misconception. Good defense is good for the game. Plus, players have been real good about adjusting when going full speed into the lane; why can't they adjust when someone is playing defense there -- secondary defender or otherwise.

I agree, but I think it's like the coach timeout. It's here to stay and probably coming down.

[tmagan]

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count.
• Having five seconds to shoot a free throw instead of ten. There is no way a player should need ten seconds to do that when you only have five to throw the ball in from out of bounds. In fact, during an NIT game last week at the University of Washington, the free throw shooter was taking so long, I saw Dave Hall looking up at the ceiling.
• Not allowing teammates to congratulate the free throw shooter for a made free throw. It needlessly delays the game. In fact, I read the NBA wanted to do something about it at their level and the Players Association rejected the change.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tmagan

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count.

Well the problem with that is the clock has nothing to do with the start of the 10 second backcourt count, so you would have to change a couple of rules to accomplish that. And what if the defense touched the ball first, do you want to penalize the offense when they do not have control? Because that is the other ramification for that rule you suggest to be changed.

Originally Posted by tmagan

• Having five seconds to shoot a free throw instead of ten. There is no way a player should need ten seconds to do that when you only have five to throw the ball in from out of bounds. In fact, during an NIT game last week at the University of Washington, the free throw shooter was taking so long, I saw Dave Hall looking up at the ceiling.
• Not allowing teammates to congratulate the free throw shooter for a made free throw. It needlessly delays the game. In fact, I read the NBA wanted to do something about it at their level and the Players Association rejected the change.

These last two goes into the "Who cares" category. Not sure I have ever had a problem with the time it takes to shoot a FT and certainly do not care as the ball goes in the hole and often a sub is being made would I care about someone congratulating someone.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well the problem with that is the clock has nothing to do with the start of the 10 second backcourt count, so you would have to change a couple of rules to accomplish that. And what if the defense touched the ball first, do you want to penalize the defense when they do not have control? Because that is the other ramification for that rule you suggest to be changed.

I agree that some rules and definitions would have to be changed, but this isn't penalizing the defense, but rather would award the defense by allowing more of the 10 second count to expire. Same with having a hard count for the backcourt count.

Would the offense be hurt by the rule change? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them because they're in control of the ball while they're throwing the ball in (speaking literally...not the rule book definition of team control), and have control of where the ball goes.

As far as the five second deal, I wonder if FIBA officials enforce that strictly or are lax like those under NF/NCAA/NBA rule sets are...I've never viewed this as an issue...either with players slapping hands after free throws.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I agree that some rules and definitions would have to be changed, but this isn't penalizing the defense, but rather would award the defense by allowing more of the 10 second count to expire. Same with having a hard count for the backcourt count.

Would the offense be hurt by the rule change? Sure, but I don't feel bad for them because they're in control of the ball while they're throwing the ball in (speaking literally...not the rule book definition of team control), and have control of where the ball goes.

As far as the five second deal, I wonder if FIBA officials enforce that strictly or are lax like those under NF/NCAA/NBA rule sets are...I've never viewed this as an issue...either with players slapping hands after free throws.

I mistyped, I meant the offense.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tmagan

If I had to add a couple more to the list, it would be this:

• Using the shot clock for the ten second backcourt count which is more accurate than an officials count....

What if the throw-in is tipped by the defense and the offense doesn't gain player control for 2 more seconds?

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What if the throw-in is tipped by the defense and the offense doesn't gain player control for 2 more seconds?

Well obviously, you would have to change when the backcourt count starts

[katie118]

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too). A foul is supposed to penalize a team and should not be used to a team's advantage. This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three - essentially guaranteeing a win for a team just because they intentionally broke the rules.

(note that this would not have had an effect on the KU-OSU game because Kansas had only committed enough fouls to put Ohio State in the single bonus, but that is kind of what reminded me of this)

Also, eliminate one media timeout per half (have them at the first stop under 15:00, 10:00, and 5:00) even if they added an extra commercial to each break

Eliminate the 5-second "closely guarded" violation or limit it to held ball situations only. Its always baffled me that a team "can be rewarded with possession for "actively playing defense" even when in many cases they never even touch the ball

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by katie118

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too).

What if a team is only in the 1-and-1. Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

Originally Posted by katie118

Eliminate the 5-second "closely guarded" violation or limit it to held ball situations only.

See NCAA-W rules.

[katie118]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

What if a team is only in the 1-and-1. Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

I still say use 1-and-1 like it is now. as to not punish a team that hasn't committed 10 fouls yet

Originally Posted by brainbrian

See NCAA-W rules.

Thanks I never knew that. I would like to see them implement the NCAA-W rule for 5-seconds closely guarded in the men's game, but still in the frontcourt only

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by brainbrian

Does it become 1-and-1-and-1?

Anybody remember the NBA three to make two rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by katie118

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too). A foul is supposed to penalize a team and should not be used to a team's advantage. This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three - essentially guaranteeing a win for a team just because they intentionally broke the rules. in many cases they never even touch the ball

A solution in search of a problem.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A solution in search of a problem.

You make FT this is not much of an advantage.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by katie118

This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three

Well, if a team is intentionally fouling we do have a method of dealing with that...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by katie118

When a team in the double bonus gets fouled in the last minute of the 2nd half or overtime, they should get 3 shots instead of 2 (for shooting fouls too). A foul is supposed to penalize a team and should not be used to a team's advantage. This will make it harder - but not impossible - for teams to come back by intentionally fouling their opponent and also eliminates the intentional foul late in the game committed by a team up by three - essentially guaranteeing a win for a team just because they intentionally broke the rules.

(note that this would not have had an effect on the KU-OSU game because Kansas had only committed enough fouls to put Ohio State in the single bonus, but that is kind of what reminded me of this)

Also, eliminate one media timeout per half (have them at the first stop under 15:00, 10:00, and 5:00) even if they added an extra commercial to each break.

Eliminate the 5-second "closely guarded" violation or limit it to held ball situations only. Its always baffled me that a team "can be rewarded with possession for "actively playing defense" even when in many cases they never even touch the ball.

Katie:

Since 1+1 Bonus Free Throws are shot for Common Fouls which are the 7th, 8th, and 9th Team Fouls of the half, and 2 Free Throws are shot for CFs starting with the 10th TF of the half. About ten years or so ago, I floated the following idea: Keep the 1+1 Bonus as is; shoot 2 FTs for CFs which are the 10th, 11th, and 12th TFs in the half; and then shoot 3 FTs for CFs starting with the 13th TF of the half.


I like this idea.


NCAA Women's Closely Guarded Rule is only while holding the ball in both the Backcourt and the Front Court; this is a holdover from the NAGWS Rules which was taken from the FIBA Rules which is still the same even though FIBA has adopted a Backcourt Violation Rule now. I would like to see the NFHS and NCAA Men's Committees adopt the NCAA Women's Rule but only in the Front Court.

MTD, Sr.