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Rich Sat Mar 17, 2012 09:53am
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Originally Posted by Pumpy25 (Post 832583)
why not warn the players? you do for holding, when they can run the baseline, etc. This official was itching to call this. I've never seen it called all year, but he can high five, bc its the right call. Must have been an official meeting to watch for it and he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens. If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.
Is this the first real fanboy to come out of the woodwork? I love March.

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 09:54am
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Originally Posted by lpneck (Post 832595)
To be fair to Kenny Smith, I believe his point was that if you see a player lined up on the arc, looking like he's going to go get the rebound come hell or high water, you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

I don't think he meant warn rather than penalize after the act.

We now return to the extremely well-deserved bashing of Sir Charles.
I'll do this in middle school, maybe lower level JV, but I see no reason to coach players above that level on this particular rule.

Oh, and as has been stated, don't tell them it has to hit the rim, because that's not true. The two or three times a season I say something in middle school, I leave it at "let it hit."

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 09:57am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 832616)
And yes, I know it doesn't have to hit anything for them to go inside....
Now, I don't do college, so I might be off. But under what scenario can they go within the arc without the ball hitting anything?

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 09:58am
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 832646)
Is this the first real fanboy to come out of the woodwork? I love March.
Yep, tool boxes have been left open in college towns all over America; and the tools got out.

BillyMac Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:19am
And The Robins Are Back Too ...
 
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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 832646)
Is this the first real fanboy to come out of the woodwork? I love March.
It's like a Spring version of famous cliff swallows returning to San Juan Capistrano.

JetMetFan Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 832648)
Now, I don't do college, so I might be off. But under what scenario can they go within the arc without the ball hitting anything?
It's in both codes.

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NFHS 9-1-4 (The restrictions in 9-1-3b through g apply until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the free throw ends)

and

NCAA 9-1-2g (Players not in a legal marked lane space shall remain behind the free throw line extended and behind the three-point field-goal line until the ball strikes the ring, flange or backboard, or until the free throw ends).
Part of the definition of when the free throw ends includes...

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NFHS 4-20-3 (...when it is certain the try will not be successful, when the try touches the floor or any player...)

and

NCAA 4-30-3b (...when it is certain the try will not be successful) and 4-30-3c (when the try touches the floor or any player)
Essentially, if a shooter throws up an airball the free throw is over and everyone's restrictions are removed. That's why I said in my earlier post the non-shooting team wouldn't be put at a disadvantage by saying "let it hit" since if it doesn't it means the thrower violated.

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:30am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 832654)
It's in both codes.



Part of the definition of when the free throw ends includes...



Essentially, if a shooter throws up an airball the free throw is over and everyone's restrictions are removed. That's why I said in my earlier post the non-shooting team wouldn't be put at a disadvantage by saying "let it hit" since if it doesn't it means the thrower violated.
Gotcha. I thought that's what you were talking about; a situation where there's no rebound.

Now, what do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?

JetMetFan Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 832655)
Gotcha. I thought that's what you were talking about; a situation where there's no rebound.

Now, what do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?
That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.

Zoochy Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:39am
Nfhs
 
That would be a double violation. I assume the same for NCAA.

JetMetFan Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 832658)
That would be a double violation. I assume the same for NCAA.
Yes. In both codes.

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:46am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 832657)
That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.
Figured you knew, the discussion just made me think of it.

Brad Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:18am
Totally agree — thought Barkley was an idiot when I heard his comments last night.

I've always interpreted "Let the players decide the game." to mean "Don't call anything in the last minute or so of the game."

That is a stupid and asinine thought process.

Having Barkley commentate on NCAA games is also stupid and asinine!!

BillyMac Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:16pm
Hey, It Could Happen, It Won't, But It Could ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 832655)
What do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 832657)
That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.
If it's a little bit before the release, then it could be disconcertion.

Freddy Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:26pm
And I Also Never Call Traveling on OOB Violations
 
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Originally Posted by Pumpy25 (Post 832583)
. . . he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens.
I saw the game and didn't notice any obvious fouls that happened which were overlooked, or moving screens that escaped anybody's focus.

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Originally Posted by Pumpy25 (Post 832583)
If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.
:confused:
I do, when necessary. Not merely "letter of the law" stuff, either. It's a "spirit of the law" thing, too. :)
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing your pregame includes the phrase, "I haven't called three seconds in six years...". Just a guess. :rolleyes:

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 01:31pm
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 832680)
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing your pregame includes the phrase, "I haven't called three seconds in six years...". Just a guess. :rolleyes:
Look at you, giving the benefit of the doubt.


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