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APG Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:47pm

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Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 832569)
Ummmmm you guys realize in college they can enter on the release right?

Only players in marked lane spaces...everyone else has to wait till it hits the rim/backboard.

Duffman Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:47pm

Ahhhh got ya, I'm in a bar, no sound. The telecast focused on tube players opposit of the lane, if it was a player outside the arc its a totally different story.

Pumpy25 Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:51pm

why not warn the players? you do for holding, when they can run the baseline, etc. This official was itching to call this. I've never seen it called all year, but he can high five, bc its the right call. Must have been an official meeting to watch for it and he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens. If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.

SCalScoreKeeper Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:52pm

I love having every game available on every channel but it has its downside-Charles Barkley and most of his Turner co-horts.

M&M Guy Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:54pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832566)
Greg Anthony.

I (somewhat) understand why CBS is using TBS's NBA crew; since CBS is using the TBS network to air games, in exchange the TBS commentators get air on CBS.

But surely someone has told them if they are going to rag on officials, that they need to understand the rules and philosophies are different from what they know about the NBA.

Surely. Someone?

APG Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:56pm

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Originally Posted by Pumpy25 (Post 832583)
why not warn the players? you do for holding, when they can run the baseline, etc. This official was itching to call this. I've never seen it called all year, but he can high five, bc its the right call. Must have been an official meeting to watch for it and he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens. If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.

I've haven't seen players run in from the three point line...4-5 steps early all year. If a player violates so clearly before you can warn them, that's on them. It's the same with fouls...if a player fouls before you can warn them, that's still on them.

BktBallRef Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:00am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 832588)
I (somewhat) understand why CBS is using TBS's NBA crew; since CBS is using the TBS network to air games, in exchange the TBS commentators get air on CBS.

But surely someone has told them if they are going to rag on officials, that they need to understand the rules and philosophies are different from what they know about the NBA.

Surely. Someone?

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

lpneck Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:03am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 832564)
Agreed.

Also, who was the other commentator that effectively said the officials should not have penalized the lane violation, but just given them a warning first?

Stupid commentators.

To be fair to Kenny Smith, I believe his point was that if you see a player lined up on the arc, looking like he's going to go get the rebound come hell or high water, you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

I don't think he meant warn rather than penalize after the act.

We now return to the extremely well-deserved bashing of Sir Charles.

BktBallRef Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:05am

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Originally Posted by lpneck (Post 832595)
...you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

Why? It doesn't have to hit the rim before he enters. :)

M&M Guy Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:11am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832597)
Why? It doesn't have to hit the rim before he enters. :)

Drats, you beat me to it. :)

Camron Rust Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:18am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 832597)
Why? It doesn't have to hit the rim before he enters. :)

For that matter, it may never hit the rim and still be legal.

M&M Guy Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:25am

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Originally Posted by lpneck (Post 832595)
To be fair to Kenny Smith, I believe his point was that if you see a player lined up on the arc, looking like he's going to go get the rebound come hell or high water, you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

I don't think he meant warn rather than penalize after the act.

We now return to the extremely well-deserved bashing of Sir Charles.

Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not the impression I got when I heard it. I wish APG had access to more video... :)

While I understand sometimes saying something to a player, at that level they better know a basic rule like this on their own. Or, it's on their coaching staff for not properly preparing them. But if the player does it that obviously, it should be called. Or, the officials will not advance to the next round.

JetMetFan Sat Mar 17, 2012 03:58am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 832607)
Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not the impression I got when I heard it. I wish APG had access to more video... :)

While I understand sometimes saying something to a player, at that level they better know a basic rule like this on their own. Or, it's on their coaching staff for not properly preparing them. But if the player does it that obviously, it should be called. Or, the officials will not advance to the next round.

I have no problem saying something to a player - I do it in H.S. and college - to keep them from going inside the three-point arc too early if they're not on the lane. It's no different than talking kids out of the lane for three seconds and a number of my assignors over the years have encouraged it.

That being said, if the kid has a brain lock and goes in - especially after I tell them "remember, let it hit" - that's on them.

And yes, I know it doesn't have to hit anything for them to go inside the three-point arc but if they're waiting for the ball to hit something and it doesn't they're not at a disadvantage since that's a violation on the shooter.

26 Year Gap Sat Mar 17, 2012 07:14am

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Originally Posted by bgredmchn (Post 832553)
I agree. He needs to stick to the NBA. Referees shouldn't decide the game, players should he says. Well, a player decided to break a rule. I wonder how long HE would last with a whistle.

If it is anything like his golf swing....

Adam Sat Mar 17, 2012 09:51am

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Originally Posted by Pumpy25 (Post 832583)
why not warn the players? you do for holding, when they can run the baseline, etc. This official was itching to call this. I've never seen it called all year, but he can high five, bc its the right call. Must have been an official meeting to watch for it and he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens. If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.

So, uh, what's a moving screen?

This is a great time of year on the board....

Silly fans.


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