Charles Barkley...
 

...go home. That was quite a rant in the studio after the ND/Xavier game. Apparently rules weren't meant to be enforced the entire 40 minutes of the game.

I agree. He needs to stick to the NBA. Referees shouldn't decide the game, players should he says. Well, a player decided to break a rule. I wonder how long HE would last with a whistle.

Didn't hear the rant, but honestly I'm not a huge fan of the lane violation

Sir Charles
 

Wasn't a lane violation, but a violation by the defender outside the circle behind the free thrower.
As to "not being a fan" of it, I'd be interested in the post-game review and how a no-call would've been critiqued had it not been called.
Quite a rant. "The officials should not decide the game like that." I guess players brainfarting like that should be overlooked, for the sake of the game. And as to the attempt to stop the clock by grabbing the opponent's shirt, yanking it out of his pants, I guess that doesn't qualify as intentional to Sir Charles.
Wow.

He's a certified idiot.

"John Adams, I don't care if it's the rule!"

Those are clear and obvious infractions under NCAA rules. They weren't even close. Hell, under NBA rules, if that player would have grabbed that jersey like he did before the ball was released, it would be an away-from-the-play foul and be one FT for anyone on the floor and the ball back!

That lane violation was clear as day...literally 3-4 steps on the court. You CAN'T ignore that!

Exactly. The NBA is much more strict on end of the game fouls etc.,

Thanks
David

He's turrible.

Agreed.

Also, who was the other commentator that effectively said the officials should not have penalized the lane violation, but just given them a warning first?

Stupid commentators.

Greg Anthony.

It has to be called. Too big of an advantage for a player of either team to enter the area below FT line extended before ball hits rim. The rule as written is not broken.

Get the ESPN guys in the studio. The ones that actually cover the college game!

Ummmmm you guys realize in college they can enter on the release right?

Ummm, not the players outside the 3-point arc.

Yes, players lined up in the lane spaces, but players not lined up have same restrictions as the shooter which says ball has to hit the rim.

Players/coaches have to give us an opportunity to give them a warning...if you violate so egregiously before you can warn them, then you have to go and get it first time it happens.

Only players in marked lane spaces...everyone else has to wait till it hits the rim/backboard.

Ahhhh got ya, I'm in a bar, no sound. The telecast focused on tube players opposit of the lane, if it was a player outside the arc its a totally different story.

why not warn the players? you do for holding, when they can run the baseline, etc. This official was itching to call this. I've never seen it called all year, but he can high five, bc its the right call. Must have been an official meeting to watch for it and he was waiting to call it, rather than focus on obvious fouls that happen, moving screens. If its the letter of the law call traveling, palming, flopping, etc.

I love having every game available on every channel but it has its downside-Charles Barkley and most of his Turner co-horts.

I (somewhat) understand why CBS is using TBS's NBA crew; since CBS is using the TBS network to air games, in exchange the TBS commentators get air on CBS.

But surely someone has told them if they are going to rag on officials, that they need to understand the rules and philosophies are different from what they know about the NBA.

Surely. Someone?

I've haven't seen players run in from the three point line...4-5 steps early all year. If a player violates so clearly before you can warn them, that's on them. It's the same with fouls...if a player fouls before you can warn them, that's still on them.

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller?

To be fair to Kenny Smith, I believe his point was that if you see a player lined up on the arc, looking like he's going to go get the rebound come hell or high water, you can preventatively say "make sure it hits the rim." I have done this before.

I don't think he meant warn rather than penalize after the act.

We now return to the extremely well-deserved bashing of Sir Charles.

Why? It doesn't have to hit the rim before he enters. :)

Drats, you beat me to it. :)

For that matter, it may never hit the rim and still be legal.

Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not the impression I got when I heard it. I wish APG had access to more video... :)

While I understand sometimes saying something to a player, at that level they better know a basic rule like this on their own. Or, it's on their coaching staff for not properly preparing them. But if the player does it that obviously, it should be called. Or, the officials will not advance to the next round.

I have no problem saying something to a player - I do it in H.S. and college - to keep them from going inside the three-point arc too early if they're not on the lane. It's no different than talking kids out of the lane for three seconds and a number of my assignors over the years have encouraged it.

That being said, if the kid has a brain lock and goes in - especially after I tell them "remember, let it hit" - that's on them.

And yes, I know it doesn't have to hit anything for them to go inside the three-point arc but if they're waiting for the ball to hit something and it doesn't they're not at a disadvantage since that's a violation on the shooter.

If it is anything like his golf swing....

So, uh, what's a moving screen?

This is a great time of year on the board....

Silly fans.

Is this the first real fanboy to come out of the woodwork? I love March.

I'll do this in middle school, maybe lower level JV, but I see no reason to coach players above that level on this particular rule.

Oh, and as has been stated, don't tell them it has to hit the rim, because that's not true. The two or three times a season I say something in middle school, I leave it at "let it hit."

Now, I don't do college, so I might be off. But under what scenario can they go within the arc without the ball hitting anything?

Yep, tool boxes have been left open in college towns all over America; and the tools got out.

And The Robins Are Back Too ...
 

It's like a Spring version of famous cliff swallows returning to San Juan Capistrano.

It's in both codes.

Part of the definition of when the free throw ends includes...

Essentially, if a shooter throws up an airball the free throw is over and everyone's restrictions are removed. That's why I said in my earlier post the non-shooting team wouldn't be put at a disadvantage by saying "let it hit" since if it doesn't it means the thrower violated.

Gotcha. I thought that's what you were talking about; a situation where there's no rebound.

Now, what do you do if B3 comes in from the arc on the release, then A1's shot airballs?

That's why someone invented the AP arrow. It's a double violation.

Nfhs
 

That would be a double violation. I assume the same for NCAA.

Yes. In both codes.

Figured you knew, the discussion just made me think of it.

Totally agree — thought Barkley was an idiot when I heard his comments last night.

I've always interpreted "Let the players decide the game." to mean "Don't call anything in the last minute or so of the game."

That is a stupid and asinine thought process.

Having Barkley commentate on NCAA games is also stupid and asinine!!

Hey, It Could Happen, It Won't, But It Could ...
 

If it's a little bit before the release, then it could be disconcertion.

And I Also Never Call Traveling on OOB Violations
 

I saw the game and didn't notice any obvious fouls that happened which were overlooked, or moving screens that escaped anybody's focus.

:confused:
I do, when necessary. Not merely "letter of the law" stuff, either. It's a "spirit of the law" thing, too. :)
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing your pregame includes the phrase, "I haven't called three seconds in six years...". Just a guess. :rolleyes:

Look at you, giving the benefit of the doubt.

re: Barkley
 

As a Sixer fan Barkley is my favorite player of all time, but I can't stand that "let the players decide the game" crap. As if the player violating and the official appropriately penalizing the violation isn't allowing the players to decide the game. The player helped seal his team's fate with an elementary school violation of the rules. Plain and simple.

For those that haven't seen the footage, here it is, complete with Notre Dame fanboy commentary for comic relief:

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I hate Barkley he was the biggest whiner in basketball in his day. Now it's Dirk Nowitsky (sp).

hahaha, that notre dame whiner sounds just like stevie from Eastbound and Down.

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/s...owski-1024.jpg

Advantage/Disadvantage
 

A few people I know are crying "advantage/disadvantage" about that free-throw violation call. Had this been a high school game, I could argue that a/d applies to contact, not violations, but I'm not sure how valid this argument is in the college game. Thoughts?

Even the violations that aren't called by the letter (3 seconds, 10 second FT), I tend to use two criteria, either of which is enough for a call.

1. Advantage. Kid catches the ball after being in the paint well past my warning, for example.
2. Egregious. Kid simply ignores my warning and stays in the lane forever.

Advantage: The player that committed the violation got the rebound. Without violating he wouldn't have gotten there in time.

If you had seen the ball bounce off onto the other side of the lane, I'm not sure you would have seen the violation called.