BLARGE - TENN/Ole Miss

[Rich]

14:19 left, 2nd half.

[JRutledge]

What happened to the video on YouTube?

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What happened to the video on YouTube?

Peace

Forgot to edit the end portion...anyhow, here's the play:

[junruh07]

There was one like that in the K-State/ WVU game before Christmas this season. In both games, the official calling the block had two fists in the air, but didn't bring them down. In the other game, they went with just the pc.

[dahoopref]

I put this SNAFU all on the Center.

NCAA men's mechanics state in part that the L has primary on calls coming toward him. This "blarge" doesn't happen if the C adheres to proper play calling according to mechanics. If the C just holds and doesn't give a preliminary, then none of this happens.

Thanks for clipping this APG.

[APG]

Originally Posted by junruh07

There was one like that in the K-State/ WVU game before Christmas this season. In both games, the official calling the block had two fists in the air, but didn't bring them down. In the other game, they went with just the pc.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I put this SNAFU all on the Center.

NCAA men's mechanics state in part that the L has primary on calls coming toward him. This "blarge" doesn't happen if the C adheres to proper play calling according to mechanics. If the C just holds and doesn't give a preliminary, then none of this happens.

Thanks for clipping this APG.

Also, the play didn't even start in the C's PCA. I could see him putting a whistle on it as the secondary since the contact was in the middle of the lane but not coming out with a preliminary.

With the WVU/KSU game, I think the T got the call correct but at least he held back when he heard the other whistle and saw the L coming in so strong.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

14:19 left, 2nd half.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Forgot to edit the end portion...anyhow, here's the play:

I have a PC here. I didn't see what B did wrong. Though I'd be a bit open to change my opinion.

[junruh07]

I think it would be harder to avoid a blarge at the college level once the official put air in the whistle. Sure, they should be better at determining who has the call, but in high school, at least in my neck of the woods, officials nearly always come up with a fist before the primary signal on fouls. In college it seems, especially on these block/charge calls, the officials almost always go straight to the primary. This robs them of the chance to hear or see that the other guy has a call, and you get situations like this.

[Rich]

Did the L ever give a preliminary signal on this? I've watched it 3-4 times and every time I see only one fist in the air and then he has the basketball in one hand.

[junruh07]

Yeah, I watched the videos again. In the Tenn. video, the lead come with a fist, and then raises his other fist for just a little bit. He doesn't leave his two fists in the air like the official does in the WVU game.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by junruh07

...In high school, at least in my neck of the woods, officials nearly always come up with a fist before the primary signal on fouls. In college it seems, especially on these block/charge calls, the officials almost always go straight to the primary. This robs them of the chance to hear or see that the other guy has a call, and you get situations like this.

I think you're on to something here. The more mechanically sound an official is, the better the chance he/she will avoid a blarge. I would say that in HS, more emphasis is placed on sound judgement AND sound mechanics .... whereas in college, getting the call right (aka sound judgement) is definitely more important than mechanics.

[mtn335]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

I think you're on to something here. The more mechanically sound an official is, the better the chance he/she will avoid a blarge. I would say that in HS, more emphasis is placed on sound judgement AND sound mechanics .... whereas in Mens college, getting the call right (aka sound judgement) is definitely more important than mechanics.

Emphasis added. In my brief collegiate experience(and in that of some folks whose experience extends much, much further), the powers that be in NCAA-W place a great deal of emphasis on "the system" (i.e. mechanics) as the foundation for correct officiating - if everybody works the system right, then you're in the correct position for the call, and you know whose call it is, no matter who your partners are. Correct mechanics & positioning, along with discipline, prevent this from happening.

[drofficial]

In short, calling this play a block is what is wrong with basketball today. What else is the defender supposed to do? He steps above the resitricted line, obtains LGP, and the offensive player goes right thru him. Even if he "slides" to the left, that is perfeclty legal by rule. There is nothing about the defender "being set" or "stationary."

Unbelievable.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by drofficial

In short, calling this play a block is what is wrong with basketball today. What else is the defender supposed to do? He steps above the resitricted line, obtains LGP, and the offensive player goes right thru him. Even if he "slides" to the left, that is perfeclty legal by rule. There is nothing about the defender "being set" or "stationary."

Unbelievable.

I'll keep watching, but I've got a block on this. Yes, LGP allows the player to move sideways, but he needs to be in the path before the shooter goes airborne. In this play, he slides left, into the shooter's path, after the shooter is in the air.

edit: sorry, I was talking about the first clip, not sure which one you were talking about.
Second clip looks like a clear charge. Oddly, in both plays, the L gets it wrong.