Multiple Foul

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Very close indeed. I'll give you a hint. All other infractions/fouls are ignored unless it is deemed to be a flagrant or intentional foul.

What do I win?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What do I win?

One free all expenses paid trip to your very own pantry or refrigerator for a snack of your choice. And your wife can't tell you no. Eat whatever you want.

[constable]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

...But didn't call it as such.

A1 deeks a guy near the hoopthen spinsorama. Mid-spinorama A1 gets bumped by B1. Tweet. The bump sends A1 in a direction he'd never go. While in that direction, B2 comes from behind and bumps A1 with more force than B1 used.

Both fouls were in the continuation phase.

It went through my mind, "oh look - a multiple foul" but I stuck with just the one.

As you should have since the second one was neither intentional nor flagrant.

[APG]

Originally Posted by constable

As you should have since the second one was neither intentional nor flagrant.

JR said the player was in the act of shooting...thus the ball wasn't dead on the first opponent's contact.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What do I win?

Nothing, the question wasn't for you.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is not a multiple. Can you tell us why?

Reviewing foul definitions... Sure seems to be a multiple foul. Two teammates committed personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time. Maybe I didn't make it clear that the common foul which came first wasn't called. The intentional foul came after, but they were close enough together that the official didn't have time to blow his whistle for the common foul. The intentional foul was the only one called. Granted, I'm only speculating that the official would've called the common foul, but it sure looked like a foul from my vantage point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Reviewing foul definitions... Sure seems to be a multiple foul. Two teammates committed personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time. Maybe I didn't make it clear that the common foul which came first wasn't called. The intentional foul came after, but they were close enough together that the official didn't have time to blow his whistle for the common foul. The intentional foul was the only one called. Granted, I'm only speculating that the official would've called the common foul, but it sure looked like a foul from my vantage point.

Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Now most of the time, when this second foul comes in so fast we don't have time to whistle the first, we'll just go with the 2nd.

But you cannot, by rule, call it a multiple foul. It's a false multiple, and each foul gets its own penalty.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Unless a player on the team that was fouled had started a try (continuous motion).

...which is what I believe the OP was trying to say when he said "Both fouls were in the continuation phase."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Unless a player on the team that was fouled had started a try (continuous motion).

...which is what I believe the OP was trying to say when he said "Both fouls were in the continuation phase."

You're right, but I was talking about the other play, the on that rikardo saw.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're right, but I was talking about the other play, the on that rikardo saw.

Fair enough....I rarely go back and read the entire thread to make sure I know the specific context of each post unless it seems unclear to me....and it bit me this time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair enough....I rarely go back and read the entire thread to make sure I know the specific context of each post unless it seems unclear to me....and it bit me this time.

Yeah, I've never done that.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let's assume the first was a foul. The ball becomes dead as soon as the foul is committed, not when the whistle blows. So even if the second foul comes before the whistle for the first foul, it's a dead ball foul. The second would have to be a technical foul, thus it doesn't qualify as a multiple foul.

Now most of the time, when this second foul comes in so fast we don't have time to whistle the first, we'll just go with the 2nd.

But you cannot, by rule, call it a multiple foul. It's a false multiple, and each foul gets its own penalty.

If the ball becomes dead at the moment the first foul is committed, how can a multiple foul even exist? Does this mean that multiple fouls can only occur when a player is in the act of shooting?

[APG]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

If the ball becomes dead at the moment the first foul is committed, how can a multiple foul even exist? Does this mean that multiple fouls can only occur when a player is in the act of shooting?

It means it has to happen simultaneously...B1 and B2 foul A1 at the same time.

[constable]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

JR said the player was in the act of shooting...thus the ball wasn't dead on the first opponent's contact.

right you are. Missed that point. I have a subconscious habit of not paying attention to JR I guess.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by constable

right you are. Missed that point. I have a subconscious habit of not paying attention to JR I guess.

I feel weird being called JR.

JR is Jurassic.

I'm Juggs!