Rotating as Lead in 2 Man?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Yes I'll rotate over if the majority of the players are on the other side with post action. Rotating in two man is a compromise that gives up sideline coverage with superior post coverage. Getting a feel for a team's offense, you can get a sense of whether the ball will go into the post or whether the offense tends to throw skip passes or move the ball around on the perimeter.

This is also something you have to pregame with your partner so he knows to to expand his coverage area appropriately. I wouldn't rotate over without first telling my partner.

Agree completely but we have been trained similarly.

[berserkBBK]

There are a couple of problems I have with this. Who is watching the one or two other competitive matchups on the other side? Some of the worst/cheap fouls happen off ball. And why can't your trail close down when there is competitive post play?

[just another ref]

It's easier to ref the post from the sideline than to ref the sideline from the post.


Feel free to quote me.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's easier to ref the post from the sideline than to ref the sideline from the post.


Feel free to quote me.

I'd rather have a better look at the post than the sideline.

[refiator]

I would rather see the Trail move towards the end line to get a better look than to have the lead rotate all the way over to ball side. Of course, the play dictates, and maybe all players are there as well, but normally I want the lead to have a clear view of his/her PCA. Unless all 10 players have collapsed to that corner, the lead should not rotate all the way over. If you do this, you better be as deep off of the end line as you can so your peripheral vision can see weak side as well.

[Welpe]

Well per the NFHS mechanics manual, the lead's PCA can extend to the other side of the court

This is how APG and I have both been trained and are expected to officiate these plays.

[BktBallRef]

To my knowledge, NFHS and IAABO mechanics require the L to rotate ball sidde in this situation. You aren't going to have an OOB play on the opposite sideline unless it's a skip pass, in which case it's not that difficult to make the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Well per the NFHS mechanics manual, the lead's PCA can extend to the other side of the court

This is how APG and I have both been trained and are expected to officiate these plays.

That's how I've been taught as well, and I've had far more problems solved with post play than bad situations on the sideline (1). It's the common mechanic here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by refiator

I would rather see the Trail move towards the end line to get a better look than to have the lead rotate all the way over to ball side. Of course, the play dictates, and maybe all players are there as well, but normally I want the lead to have a clear view of his/her PCA. Unless all 10 players have collapsed to that corner, the lead should not rotate all the way over. If you do this, you better be as deep off of the end line as you can so your peripheral vision can see weak side as well.

It's a great thought, in theory. Many of our older gyms have about 3 feet from the endline to the wall, though, making it impossible to work deep. On nights like those, the trail must be prepared to help from time to time as it's easy to lose your look with all the bodies in the way.

I rotate ball side in 2-person fairly often, but nowhere near as often as I do when working 3-person.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I rotate ball side in 2-person fairly often, but nowhere near as often as I do when working 3-person.

I used to rotate often until I went to a camp a few years ago and was told that I was bouncing back and forth across the lane too much, and that I should wait for a real good reason to go ball side.

We've been doing this a long time. Several years ago, I forgot that I had rotated ball side. There was a turnover, and I started running up the court as the new trail to only discover that the new lead and I were both on the same side of the basket line. Very embarrassing.

Also. What's three person? We've never heard of that here in the "Land That Time Forgot", also known as Connecticut.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's easier to ref the post from the sideline than to ref the sideline from the post.


Feel free to quote me.

In all the times I've gone ballside, I have had maybe one or two times where the open sideline became an issue. Almost anytime the ball goes out that side, even rotated ballside, the lead will be able to tell who the all when out on while rotating back.

As far as who has the weak side in this situation if there's a competitive match up, the trail has to pick this up. I tend to pregame that the trail will move toward the center of the court to help pick up off ball action. This is why it's important to have a pregame before you use this mechanic. Again, 2-man is all about compromise and this mechanic is one of them. Most of your action and fouls are going to happen ball side, especially if there's post action.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by berserkBBK

There are a couple of problems I have with this. Who is watching the one or two other competitive matchups on the other side? Some of the worst/cheap fouls happen off ball. And why can't your trail close down when there is competitive post play?

If there are no competitive matchups on the weakside I have no problem rotating over if that post matchup is very competitive. Flatten out to keep the weakside in your peripheral.

[berserkBBK]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If there are no competitive matchups on the weakside I have no problem rotating over if that post matchup is very competitive. Flatten out to keep the weakside in your peripheral.

I can agree with that.