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BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:00pm

Hair Decorations ???
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825950)
Keep looking Billy. 3-5-4-e. Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825938)
However, they must be used to control hair, not as hair decorations.

I already covered that.

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:04pm

Hair Control Devices ???
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825950)
Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.

If cloth ribbons, in any color of the rainbow, are used to control hair, then they are legal. You gotta problem with that? Wanna to fight about it? Wanna bet $10,000.00 of Mitt Romney's money?

Welpe Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:26pm

I've only seen ribbon attached as an adornment, I guess I'd take it any other way on a case by case basis but I believe the intent of the rule is that a ribbon with bows is not to be a hair control device.

APG Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 825946)
At any rate, I've wondered why some of my brethren don't like dealing with uniform issues. The fact that NFHS - and NCAA - keep emphasizing them every year means the rules makers (i.e., coaches) want these things dealt with.

Because in the grand scheme of things, uniform violations don't really affect anyone...no one was ever on SportsCenter or YouTube because they forgot to enforce an undershirt color restriction or broke some logo restriction. In fact, I'd say if the rules makers (i.e. coaches) keep emphasizing this and want this dealt with, that they do so themselves since they hold all the cards...wear this or you don't play.

And just to answer the questions that might come after this, yes I do decide to enforce only some rules...such as traveling, 5 seconds, etc. ;)

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 02:11pm

Ribbons ...
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826031)
I believe the intent of the rule is that a ribbon with bows is not to be a hair control device.

If that was the intent of the NFHS, then why rule that "cloth ... bands may be used to control hair". Let's see. Fifteen down. Cloth band used to control hair. Six letters. Starts with "R". Ends with "N". Any crossword puzzle experts out there in "Forum Land" want to help out Welpe?

Also, if they have to tie it with a knot, then why not a bow? Got a better knot to suggest? Maybe a Flemish Flake Spiral Coil knot?

Welpe. Please note: I do agree with you that it's illegal if a hair ribbon is used solely as a decoration. I'm "pushing" the limits of this thread because I don't want rookie officials thinking that hair ribbons are "always" illegal. I am not trying to be obnoxious. I'll leave that up to a few other esteemed Forum members. That's right. You guys know who you are. It's not a secret. Want to fight about it?

olsont1977 Tue Feb 21, 2012 08:38am

Not a Chance!
 
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825954)
Whatever you do, please don't raise this as an issue with the Federation...the last thing I want to do is become the sock police also. :eek:

No. I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules. Just have the uniforms the same colors for every team member and throw a ball out there.

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:20am

"But He Let Us Wear Them Last Week" ...
 
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Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826233)
I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules.

So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?

bob jenkins Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:25am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?

So you didn't enforce the legging rule? (or wouldn't enforce the ribbon rule?) Man, I'm glad I don't have the next game after you with that team.

Welpe Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:46am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?

So is it memory or reading comprehension that is first to go? :eek:

JetMetFan Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:17am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?

Exactly. I'm not going to go looking for uniform issues but if they're there I have to deal with them. I hate hearing "no one said this to us all season." Granted, sometimes they're lying but not all of the time.

If one of my brethren isn't going to enforce the "little stuff," I get worried about the big stuff such as keeping control of coaches.

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:34am

Reformed ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826244)
So you didn't enforce the legging rule? Man, I'm glad I don't have the next game after you with that team.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825942)
From Now On, No More Tights.

What part of "From Now On, No More Tights" did you not understand?

Also, it's pretty big stretch to go from some hesitation regarding a specific part of the uniform, and equipment, rules to ignoring all of the uniform, and equipment rules.

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Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826233)
I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules.


BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:39am

Ribbon Rule ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826244)
Or wouldn't enforce the ribbon rule?

I'm allowing a player to use a cloth band, otherwise known as a ribbon, that happens to be tied in a bow, to control her hair. I am not allowing her to use the ribbon, tied in a bow, to decorate her hair.

Pray tell, exactly what part of the "ribbon rule" am I not enforcing?

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:12am

Tiddlywinks ???
 
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 826266)
I'm not going to go looking for uniform issues.

Isn't that one of our many responsibilities while we're observng the teams warming up?

ref2coach Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:34am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826282)
Isn't that one of our many responsibilities while we're observing the teams warming up?

What I find in our area is that almost all teams have a warm-up on that totally covers the uniform. Can check for head bands and hair control devises but no chance to check tee shirts, wrist bands, shooting sleeves. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:40am

Good Point ref2coach ...
 
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Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 826285)
What I find in our area is that almost all teams have a warm-up on that totally covers the uniform. Can check for head bands and hair control devises but no chance to check tee shirts, wrist bands, shooting sleeves.

You're right. This past weekend, we didn't note different color arm compression sleeves until after several players removed their warmup jackets and came off the bench to enter the game.

I hate it when that happens. Strip searches before the game? Use one of those X-Ray devices used by those Transportation Security Administration agents?


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