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BillyMac Sun Feb 19, 2012 02:23pm
Book It, It's The Fashion Police ...
 
Prep school game yesterday. Black is warming up before the game. Three Black players are wearing black "leggings". Tights? Long socks? Who knows? My partner and I chose to ignore, which surely makes us part of the problem, not part of the solution. We're just kicking the can down the road to the next "Fashion Police" officials, as previous officials had obviously done to us.

Black is warming up with all players wearing warmup jackets. As the game progresses, and more players take off their warmup jackets, and come off the bench into the game, I note that a few Black players had black arm compression sleeves, and one Black player had a white arm compression sleeve. It was late in the first half by the time I noted this, so I waited until halftime to approach a Black assistant coach and tell him that all the players must have the same color arm compression sleeves to participate in the second half. He says that he'll take care of it, and he did. The black sleeves came off, and the player with the white sleeve kept his on.

As I'm waiting at the division line to administer the throwin to Black to start the second half, the Black throwin player politely asks me about the arm compression sleeves. I reply that they all must be the same color. A nearby Black player asks me about his black "tights". I reply that I wasn't sure if they were tights, or very long socks. Throwin player says to me, "Hey. This is getting weird". He was right, it was weird, and it would have felt weirder with female players.

When it comes to issues of proper uniforms, and equipment, I'm usually a "Fashion Police Son Of A Bit*h". Illegal undershirts? Illegal headbands? Illegal wrist bands? Illegal arm compression sleeves? Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars.

That's when it comes to proper uniforms, and equipment, above the waist. In the past, I have generally ignored anything below the waist. But lately, tights have become more, and more, popular, among both players, and officials.

How do you handle this issue? When you note these while watching the warmups, exactly what do you say? "You can't wear tights". "Are those tights?" What are those you're wearing?" Do any of you ignore them, as we did yesterday, secretly hoping they are really just very long socks? Are you more "timid" asking girls about this issue? Are we "can kickers", or are we "Fashion Police Sons Of Bit*hes"?

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ga314ref Sun Feb 19, 2012 08:50pm
If they're tights...
 
...and we know they're tights, they can't participate while wearing them. We notify the head coach, and they're expected to deal with it.

Welpe Sun Feb 19, 2012 08:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ga314ref (Post 825853)
...and we know they're tights, they can't participate while wearing them. We notify the head coach, and they're expected to deal with it.
What he said. Leg sleeves are probably the next thing NFHS needs to address.

billyu2 Sun Feb 19, 2012 09:25pm
It's really not that hard.
 
Girls game last week. One girl on the visiting team during warmups was wearing what appeared to be either long socks or tights. Didn't ignore it, just asked her, "are those socks or tights?" She replied they were tights. I told her she can't play wearing tights. She left the floor and removed them.
Girls tournament game yesterday: two girls wearing ribbons. Partner told them the ribbons had to be removed. They complied but of course they came up with "We've worn ribbons the last two years." I told my partner I knew that wasn't true because I had this team twice this season and no one wore ribbons.

26 Year Gap Sun Feb 19, 2012 09:29pm
Saw the highlights on the Tampa station of a local regional game a couple nights ago. Headband with logo. So, even if you try to enforce it, someone else will not.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:06am
Quote:
Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 825860)
Saw the highlights on the Tampa station of a local regional game a couple nights ago. Headband with logo. So, even if you try to enforce it, someone else will not.
Or perhaps that someone else actually knows the correct rule! :p

A headband MAY have a logo as long as it meets the size requirements.

Rule 3
SECTION 6 LOGO/TRADEMARK/REFERENCE
ART. 1 . . .
One visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference or school
logo/mascot is permitted on the wristbands, headband, compression shorts and arm compression sleeve. (3-5-3, 3-5-4, 3-5-7).

ART. 2 . . .
The size shall be limited to 2¼ square inches and shall not exceed 2¼ inches in any dimension on any item.

Nevadaref Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825699)
Prep school game yesterday. Black is warming up before the game. Three Black players are wearing black "leggings". Tights? Long socks? Who knows? My partner and I chose to ignore, which surely makes us part of the problem, not part of the solution. We're just kicking the can down the road to the next "Fashion Police" officials, as previous officials had obviously done to us.

Black is warming up with all players wearing warmup jackets. As the game progresses, and more players take off their warmup jackets, and come off the bench into the game, I note that a few Black players had black arm compression sleeves, and one Black player had a white arm compression sleeve. It was late in the first half by the time I noted this, so I waited until halftime to approach a Black assistant coach and tell him that all the players must have the same color arm compression sleeves to participate in the second half. He says that he'll take care of it, and he did. The black sleeves came off, and the player with the white sleeve kept his on.

As I'm waiting at the division line to administer the throwin to Black to start the second half, the Black throwin player politely asks me about the arm compression sleeves. I reply that they all must be the same color. A nearby Black player asks me about his black "tights". I reply that I wasn't sure if they were tights, or very long socks. Throwin player says to me, "Hey. This is getting weird". He was right, it was weird, and it would have felt weirder with female players.

When it comes to issues of proper uniforms, and equipment, I'm usually a "Fashion Police Son Of A Bit*h". Illegal undershirts? Illegal headbands? Illegal wrist bands? Illegal arm compression sleeves? Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect two hundred dollars.

That's when it comes to proper uniforms, and equipment, above the waist. In the past, I have generally ignored anything below the waist. But lately, tights have become more, and more, popular, among both players, and officials.

How do you handle this issue? When you note these while watching the warmups, exactly what do you say? "You can't wear tights". "Are those tights?" What are those you're wearing?" Do any of you ignore them, as we did yesterday, secretly hoping they are really just very long socks? Are you more "timid" asking girls about this issue? Are we "can kickers", or are we "Fashion Police Sons Of Bit*hes"?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5251/5...ca118730_m.jpg
Billy,
Don't make me tell you that you are acting cowardly. Now get out there and enforce the rules as you should!

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 07:19am
Sounds Legal To Me ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 825857)
two girls wearing ribbons. Partner told them the ribbons had to be removed. They complied but of course they came up with "We've worn ribbons the last two years."
Headbands go around the head. Hair control devices go around hair. There are no color restrictions on hair control devices as there are on headbands. However, they must be used to control hair, not as hair decorations.

NFHS 3-5-4-D: Rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. Hard items, including, but not limited to, beads, barrettes and bobby pins, are prohibited.

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 07:23am
From Now On, No More Tights ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 825896)
Don't make me tell you that you are acting cowardly. Now get out there and enforce the rules as you should!
I hope that I wasn't being cowardly, I was just trying to not be an overly officious official. I also got "enforce the rules as you should" advice from a top notch veteran official who I greatly respect when I discussed this situation with him.

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JetMetFan Mon Feb 20, 2012 07:39am
Aww, come on...
 
I actually like the Cowardly Lion :)

At any rate, I've wondered why some of my brethren don't like dealing with uniform issues. The fact that NFHS - and NCAA - keep emphasizing them every year means the rules makers (i.e., coaches) want these things dealt with.

I had a game last Feb. involving teams I hadn't seen before. The home team wore warmups during the pre-game and as they came on the court for the jump ball I noticed their starting point guard was wearing a maroon undershirt under his white jersey. I told coach he needed to take it off and was met with, "This is ridiculous! We're 18 games into the season and no one has told my kid to take this off before!" My response: "Coach, I can't speak to what anyone else has done but the rule is he can't play with that on." He took it off.

Unfortunately, being the fashion police is part of our job now. Taking care of business may be a pain but I'd rather be a pain for doing what I'm supposed to do. That coach could've complained to my assignor forever but I had the rule book on my side.

Welpe Mon Feb 20, 2012 08:16am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825938)
Headbands go around the head. Hair control devices go around hair. There are no color restrictions on hair control devices as there are on headbands.

NFHS 3-5-4-D: Rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. Hard items, including, but not limited to, beads, barrettes and bobby pins, are prohibited.
Keep looking Billy...

3-5-4-e

Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan
At any rate, I've wondered why some of my brethren don't like dealing with uniform issues.
Agreed. Take care of it early and move on. They may gripe but as you said, the rules are on our side. We really have no excuse in my chapter because the chapter leadership has stated time and again that they want this taken care of.

olsont1977 Mon Feb 20, 2012 08:35am
Girls are the worst.... in many ways
 
The thing that drives me crazy as a high school girls coach is having one team follow all the uniform/dress codes and then have another team express themselves with ....... socks. Not white or black shin high socks, but tie-dye knee length explosions of color. And then they trade with each other. We had a game where the top six from another team all had one tie-dye sock up to their knee and then a black or white one up to the shin. At least they all wore the tie-dye one on their left leg. Girls.

Welpe Mon Feb 20, 2012 08:37am
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 825952)
The thing that drives me crazy as a high school girls coach is having one team follow all the uniform/dress codes and then have another team express themselves with ....... socks. Not white or black shin high socks, but tie-dye knee length explosions of color. And then they trade with each other. We had a game where the top six from another team all had one tie-dye sock up to their knee and then a black or white one up to the shin. At least they all wore the tie-dye one on their left leg. Girls.
Whatever you do, please don't raise this as an issue with the Federation...the last thing I want to do is become the sock police also. :eek:

Rufus Mon Feb 20, 2012 09:54am
I'm making the transition from sub-varsity to varsity and so am usually the U2 with two more experienced officials. In those situations I will ask if we're being uniform police tonight and follow their lead (i.e., when in Rome). I don't feel great about doing that but at least the subject is brought up.

If I'm the R for any game, however, the uniform rules get enforced as written.

It's interesting that in an avocation that is prone to so much judgment and interpretation for just about everything there can be such an issue with something that is so clearly defined.

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 825974)
I'm making the transition from sub-varsity to varsity and so am usually the U2 with two more experienced officials. In those situations I will ask if we're being uniform police tonight and follow their lead (i.e., when in Rome). I don't feel great about doing that but at least the subject is brought up.

If I'm the R for any game, however, the uniform rules get enforced as written.

It's interesting that in an avocation that is prone to so much judgment and interpretation for just about everything there can be such an issue with something that is so clearly defined.
I know I feel better if they are enforced by the R. Because I know that if those details are tended to, that if an unusual situation arises, proper enforcement and/or administration of the rules is likely.

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:00pm
Hair Decorations ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825950)
Keep looking Billy. 3-5-4-e. Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825938)
However, they must be used to control hair, not as hair decorations.
I already covered that.

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:04pm
Hair Control Devices ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825950)
Head decorations and headwear, except those specified above, are prohibited.
If cloth ribbons, in any color of the rainbow, are used to control hair, then they are legal. You gotta problem with that? Wanna to fight about it? Wanna bet $10,000.00 of Mitt Romney's money?

Welpe Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:26pm
I've only seen ribbon attached as an adornment, I guess I'd take it any other way on a case by case basis but I believe the intent of the rule is that a ribbon with bows is not to be a hair control device.

APG Mon Feb 20, 2012 01:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 825946)
At any rate, I've wondered why some of my brethren don't like dealing with uniform issues. The fact that NFHS - and NCAA - keep emphasizing them every year means the rules makers (i.e., coaches) want these things dealt with.
Because in the grand scheme of things, uniform violations don't really affect anyone...no one was ever on SportsCenter or YouTube because they forgot to enforce an undershirt color restriction or broke some logo restriction. In fact, I'd say if the rules makers (i.e. coaches) keep emphasizing this and want this dealt with, that they do so themselves since they hold all the cards...wear this or you don't play.

And just to answer the questions that might come after this, yes I do decide to enforce only some rules...such as traveling, 5 seconds, etc. ;)

BillyMac Mon Feb 20, 2012 02:11pm
Ribbons ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 826031)
I believe the intent of the rule is that a ribbon with bows is not to be a hair control device.
If that was the intent of the NFHS, then why rule that "cloth ... bands may be used to control hair". Let's see. Fifteen down. Cloth band used to control hair. Six letters. Starts with "R". Ends with "N". Any crossword puzzle experts out there in "Forum Land" want to help out Welpe?

Also, if they have to tie it with a knot, then why not a bow? Got a better knot to suggest? Maybe a Flemish Flake Spiral Coil knot?

Welpe. Please note: I do agree with you that it's illegal if a hair ribbon is used solely as a decoration. I'm "pushing" the limits of this thread because I don't want rookie officials thinking that hair ribbons are "always" illegal. I am not trying to be obnoxious. I'll leave that up to a few other esteemed Forum members. That's right. You guys know who you are. It's not a secret. Want to fight about it?

olsont1977 Tue Feb 21, 2012 08:38am
Not a Chance!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825954)
Whatever you do, please don't raise this as an issue with the Federation...the last thing I want to do is become the sock police also. :eek:
No. I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules. Just have the uniforms the same colors for every team member and throw a ball out there.

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:20am
"But He Let Us Wear Them Last Week" ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826233)
I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules.
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?

bob jenkins Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:25am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?
So you didn't enforce the legging rule? (or wouldn't enforce the ribbon rule?) Man, I'm glad I don't have the next game after you with that team.

Welpe Tue Feb 21, 2012 09:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?
So is it memory or reading comprehension that is first to go? :eek:

JetMetFan Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826241)
So you don't enforce any of the NFHS rules regarding uniforms, and equipment? Red undershirt under a blue uniform? Man, I'm glad that I don't have the next game after you with that team. Ever play kick the can?
Exactly. I'm not going to go looking for uniform issues but if they're there I have to deal with them. I hate hearing "no one said this to us all season." Granted, sometimes they're lying but not all of the time.

If one of my brethren isn't going to enforce the "little stuff," I get worried about the big stuff such as keeping control of coaches.

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:34am
Reformed ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826244)
So you didn't enforce the legging rule? Man, I'm glad I don't have the next game after you with that team.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 825942)
From Now On, No More Tights.
What part of "From Now On, No More Tights" did you not understand?

Also, it's pretty big stretch to go from some hesitation regarding a specific part of the uniform, and equipment, rules to ignoring all of the uniform, and equipment rules.

Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826233)
I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules.

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:39am
Ribbon Rule ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 826244)
Or wouldn't enforce the ribbon rule?
I'm allowing a player to use a cloth band, otherwise known as a ribbon, that happens to be tied in a bow, to control her hair. I am not allowing her to use the ribbon, tied in a bow, to decorate her hair.

Pray tell, exactly what part of the "ribbon rule" am I not enforcing?

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:12am
Tiddlywinks ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 826266)
I'm not going to go looking for uniform issues.
Isn't that one of our many responsibilities while we're observng the teams warming up?

ref2coach Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 826282)
Isn't that one of our many responsibilities while we're observing the teams warming up?
What I find in our area is that almost all teams have a warm-up on that totally covers the uniform. Can check for head bands and hair control devises but no chance to check tee shirts, wrist bands, shooting sleeves. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:40am
Good Point ref2coach ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 826285)
What I find in our area is that almost all teams have a warm-up on that totally covers the uniform. Can check for head bands and hair control devises but no chance to check tee shirts, wrist bands, shooting sleeves.
You're right. This past weekend, we didn't note different color arm compression sleeves until after several players removed their warmup jackets and came off the bench to enter the game.

I hate it when that happens. Strip searches before the game? Use one of those X-Ray devices used by those Transportation Security Administration agents?

olsont1977 Tue Feb 21, 2012 07:43pm
You assumed. You know what that means....
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 825954)
Whatever you do, please don't raise this as an issue with the Federation...the last thing I want to do is become the sock police also. :eek:
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826233)
No. I could care less about all of the uniform/dress code rules. Just have the uniforms the same colors for every team member and throw a ball out there.
I didn't say I didn't enforce the rules as they are, or have my kids abide by them, but I just don't care for all the rules about what kids can or can't have, nor do I want more. Personally, I don't care if a kid has a red undershirt under a blue uniform. I won't allow it due to the current rules, but the original posting was in reference to bringing up sock rules to the Federation. And my reply was that I could care less about new rules regarding uniform restrictions. I am sorry for your lack of comprehension, but don't give up. Reading is FUNdamental!

Sharpshooternes Thu Feb 23, 2012 01:37am
What about for girls teams who don't wear an under shirt but they have a lime green sports bra on? What is the rule for that?

APG Thu Feb 23, 2012 01:51am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 826857)
What about for girls teams who don't wear an under shirt but they have a lime green sports bra on? What is the rule for that?
Don't even think about going there with bra color...ever. Even the most strict uniform enforcer will tell you that you should NEVER go there.

Sharpshooternes Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 826863)
Don't even think about going there with bra color...ever. Even the most strict uniform enforcer will tell you that you should NEVER go there.
Oh I wouldn't, trust you me. Just wondering if anybody had a rules interp. Haven't noticed one in the rule book, probably for good reason.

Nevadaref Thu Feb 23, 2012 06:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826429)
And my reply was that I could care less about new rules regarding uniform restrictions. I am sorry for your lack of comprehension, but don't give up. Reading is FUNdamental!
Well, if you are going to be that way about it, then let's start with a grammar lesson for you. :D

Couldn't Care Less or Could Care Less - Grammatical Jeopardy

Using the phrase “could care less” actually means that one does, in fact, possess a measurable level of caring, concern or interest of a given situation and is contradictory to the context in which that phrase is commonly used. The use of “could care less”, in fact, expresses that one does care, have an interest, or a level of concern about a topic or situation.
Attempting to convey a position that one has no interest or concern would require the use of the phrase “couldn’t care less”, which indicates a state of mind completely devoid of caring, interest or concern. If one cannot care less, the indication is a level at which one could not possibly care less because he/she already does not care at all.
Incorrect usage: “I could care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does care and possesses a measurable level of caring from which feeling could be subtracted.
Correct usage: “I couldn’t care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does not care at all and thus it would be impossible to care any less or subtract feeling where none exists.

zm1283 Thu Feb 23, 2012 09:12am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 826877)
Well, if you are going to be that way about it, then let's start with a grammar lesson for you. :D

Couldn't Care Less or Could Care Less - Grammatical Jeopardy

Using the phrase “could care less” actually means that one does, in fact, possess a measurable level of caring, concern or interest of a given situation and is contradictory to the context in which that phrase is commonly used. The use of “could care less”, in fact, expresses that one does care, have an interest, or a level of concern about a topic or situation.
Attempting to convey a position that one has no interest or concern would require the use of the phrase “couldn’t care less”, which indicates a state of mind completely devoid of caring, interest or concern. If one cannot care less, the indication is a level at which one could not possibly care less because he/she already does not care at all.
Incorrect usage: “I could care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does care and possesses a measurable level of caring from which feeling could be subtracted.
Correct usage: “I couldn’t care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does not care at all and thus it would be impossible to care any less or subtract feeling where none exists.
Thank you. This is one of my biggest pet peeves.

My other big pet peeve is when people use the "What are you, the grammar police?" line on the Internet. Quit butchering the English language and no one will have to say anything.

olsont1977 Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:22am
What are you the gr....never mind.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 826877)
Well, if you are going to be that way about it, then let's start with a grammar lesson for you. :D

Couldn't Care Less or Could Care Less - Grammatical Jeopardy

Using the phrase “could care less” actually means that one does, in fact, possess a measurable level of caring, concern or interest of a given situation and is contradictory to the context in which that phrase is commonly used. The use of “could care less”, in fact, expresses that one does care, have an interest, or a level of concern about a topic or situation.
Attempting to convey a position that one has no interest or concern would require the use of the phrase “couldn’t care less”, which indicates a state of mind completely devoid of caring, interest or concern. If one cannot care less, the indication is a level at which one could not possibly care less because he/she already does not care at all.
Incorrect usage: “I could care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does care and possesses a measurable level of caring from which feeling could be subtracted.
Correct usage: “I couldn’t care less what he thinks…” – meaning one does not care at all and thus it would be impossible to care any less or subtract feeling where none exists.
Point taken. I couldn't care less about new uniform/dress code rules.

zm1283 Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:50am
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 826429)
I didn't say I didn't enforce the rules as they are, or have my kids abide by them, but I just don't care for all the rules about what kids can or can't have, nor do I want more. Personally, I don't care if a kid has a red undershirt under a blue uniform. I won't allow it due to the current rules, but the original posting was in reference to bringing up sock rules to the Federation. And my reply was that I could care less about new rules regarding uniform restrictions. I am sorry for your lack of comprehension, but don't give up. Reading is FUNdamental!
So you're a coach? If so, you don't really have a choice, and whether you like them or not is inconsequential really.

olsont1977 Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:46pm
Then why do you care?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 826939)
So you're a coach? If so, you don't really have a choice, and whether you like them or not is inconsequential really.
A. I am a coach and an official at lower level games.
B. Where did I say I had a choice?
C. Whether I like them or not is consequential to me and any others that agree or disagree with me. It may be inconsequential to you, but it is my opinion. Not unlike hundreds of other opinions that I have read on these forums.
and D. I missed the part where I had to have your permission to post an opinion. But in the future I will ask you first.

Welpe Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 827017)
A. I am a coach and an official at lower level games.
B. Where did I say I had a choice?
C. Whether I like them or not is consequential to me and any others that agree or disagree with me. It may be inconsequential to you, but it is my opinion. Not unlike hundreds of other opinions that I have read on these forums.
and D. I missed the part where I had to have your permission to post an opinion. But in the future I will ask you first.
I understood your message. You don't want the NFHS getting even more involved than they already are, right? :)

olsont1977 Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:07pm
Yes. Thank You.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 827028)
I understood your message. You don't want the NFHS getting even more involved than they already are, right? :)
Exactly. Thank you. I will never speak of this again. I promise. The End.

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:45pm
They've Already Banned Those Shoes With Lights ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 827028)
You don't want the NFHS getting even more involved than they already are, right?
Agree 100%. The camel's nose is already under the tent. We don't want the camel jumping into the sleeping bag with us. The way it's going, the NFHS will eventually ban those shoes with retractable wheels. Now, that would certainly take the fun out of the game. Stupid "Gestapo Fashion Police".

Welpe Thu Feb 23, 2012 02:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 827119)
The way it's going, the NFHS will eventually ban those shoes with retractable wheels.
If I were you I wouldn't wait to stop wearing them until they ban them, I'd just stop using them before you hurt yourself.

zm1283 Thu Feb 23, 2012 05:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by olsont1977 (Post 827017)
A. I am a coach and an official at lower level games.
B. Where did I say I had a choice?
C. Whether I like them or not is consequential to me and any others that agree or disagree with me. It may be inconsequential to you, but it is my opinion. Not unlike hundreds of other opinions that I have read on these forums.
and D. I missed the part where I had to have your permission to post an opinion. But in the future I will ask you first.
I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, nor did I say that you had to have my permission to post.

Adam Thu Feb 23, 2012 07:45pm
Had a coach come up this year, before a BF game, and ask about the black U/A shirts underneath the other team's blue jerseys. I looked at him funny as I told him that yes, they were illegal (only the neckline of the U/A shirts was exposed, but it was enough).

Ended up starting that one with a T anyway (away team had two numbers wrong that didn't get noticed until right before tip-off). Second time this year I started a game without a jump ball; can't remember the last time before that, or if it had ever happened in one of my games.

Adam Thu Feb 23, 2012 07:46pm
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 827183)
I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion, nor did I say that you had to have my permission to post.
As I read it, his post was simply expressing what a lot of us say; I hate these rules.

BillyMac Thu Feb 23, 2012 08:02pm
Gestapo Fashion Police ...
 
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827230)
Only the neckline of the U/A shirts was exposed, but it was enough.
Man? I thought that I was a "Fashion Police Son of a Bit*h"? You make me look like Sheriff Andy Taylor.

Adam Fri Feb 24, 2012 09:15am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 827234)
Man? I thought that I was a "Fashion Police Son of a Bit*h"? You make me look like Sheriff Andy Taylor.
Beauford T Justice, emphasis on the T!

Welpe Fri Feb 24, 2012 09:40am
Earlier this season, I had an 8th grade boys game that I started solo because my partner was delayed due to being held up at work.

During the visiting team's first substitution, I noticed a player had rubber bracelet on. I directed him to leave the floor and informed the coach as to why. I had noticed the player was wearing a royal blue undershirt under a navy blue jersey. I figured blue is blue and didn't mention it.

The player removed the bracelet and a few minutes later, went to come in again. It just so happens, my partner had just arrived and went to beckon in the substitutes. He noticed the same subtitute's royal blue undershirt and sent him off. I thought the V HC was going to blow a gasket. Good times. :rolleyes:

refiator Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:45pm
I hate having to be the fashion police as well...BUT, leg sleeves ARE illegal if they fall below the pants and are not a "single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants" (3.5 art 7).
This was an issue in GHSA this year. The problem is that many players wear knee braces that mimick tights and can be difficult to identify if you don't look closely.

collegeqb04 Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:04am
My honest opinion: I am a referee here to call fouls and officiate the game. If you want to wear tights and it makes you play better ( which is all a mental game) then wear tights. I know they want to make it a team sport in high school but last time I check there were 5 people on the court playing a team game. I hate being uniform police, that's not my job. Coaches need to step up and take responsibility. How hard is it for a coach at the beginning of the season to say none of this will be worn: And give a list! Not hard at all!

just another ref Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:08am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827315)
Beauford T Justice, emphasis on the T!
Next time, more emphasis on Buford.

You ever been south of Kansas City?:D

Welpe Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:25am
I'd bet a shiny nickel Snaqs has been to Lackland a time or two...

Adam Sat Feb 25, 2012 02:18am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 827517)
I'd bet a shiny nickel Snaqs has been to Lackland a time or two...
Yeah, and I knew I spelled (is it spelt?) it wrong. I blame the Tribbles.

just another ref Sat Feb 25, 2012 02:22am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 827539)
Yeah, and I knew I spelled (is it spelt?) it wrong. I blame the Tribbles.
No tribbles in the South.

BillyMac Sat Feb 25, 2012 06:54am
Leg Sleeves, The Latest Fashion Craze ...
 
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Originally Posted by refiator (Post 827497)
Leg sleeves are illegal if they fall below the pants and are not a "single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants" .
They are? Are you sure partner?

3-5-3: Arm compression sleeves shall:
a. Be white, black, beige or a single solid school color.
b. Be the same color for each team member.
d. Be worn for medical reasons.

3-5-7: Compression shorts/tights shall be a single solid color similar to
the predominant color of the pants/skirt; the length shall be above the knee.
Undergarments shall not extend below the pants/skirt.

Leg sleeves are not arm compression sleeves. Leg sleeves are not tights. Leg sleeves are not compression shorts. Leg sleeves are not undergarments.

Leg sleeves are legal. No length restrictions. No color restrictions.

Had a top notch, veteran, buddy of mine note "tights" in the layup line last week. Told the player that "tights" were illegal. Player responded that they weren't tights, but were leg sleeves.

If the NFHS addresses this latest fashion statement, I hope they do so by dropping all restrictions from the bottom of the uniform shorts to the soles of the shoes. I don't want kids playing with underwear sticking out of the bottom of their uniform shorts, but, on the flip side, I don't want to be the guy deciding the difference between undergarments, compression shorts, tights, or leg sleeves.

Adam Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:58am
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 827541)
No tribbles in the South.
I'm about 15 miles from the Stargate; if there are tribbles, they're close.


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