Karl Hess tosses two NC State players

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Brad

Also, as others pointed out, your experience in an AAU game really has no bearing on this. Apples and oranges really.

You mean I can't compare a D1 game with an AAU game??? Bummer.
How about comparing 2 grown men getting on the officials the whole game with 20 adults getting on the officials the whole game? That seems somewhat fair to me, unless those 2 guys have super-human powers I'm unaware of.

I saw this yesterday in an article from the News & Observer and think it's a fair assessment. Do you?

"If Corchiani or Gugliotta threatened Hess, used profanity or were otherwise offensive, Hess and the ACC should acknowledge those grounds for their ejection. If they were no different from any other fan in the building, Hess and the ACC owe them an apology.

The power to eject unruly fans is not one to be used lightly. Hess has that right, but not without the responsibility to explain himself."

When I read on this board that officials like Hess can do this "because they can", really turns my stomach and think that it's that type of attitude that continues to widen the divide between officials and coaches/fans.

Note to those that may try and paint me as a traitor or someone that has no clue: I do not condone profanity or vulgar assaults or anything else that would deemed a personal attack against any official.

[APG]

From what I remember, any reference to "because he can" was in reference to Hess ejecting the fans himself rather than going to game management. People were asking why he went about administering the ejection like he did rather than doing so properly.

And Hess and the ACC don't owe the two fans any apology if the conference doesn't disagree with the ejection (and from the looks of it, they don't). The only thing the ACC has said that was incorrect about the whole incident is the administration of the ejection.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

How about comparing 2 grown men getting on the officials the whole game with 20 adults getting on the officials the whole game? That seems somewhat fair to me, unless those 2 guys have super-human powers I'm unaware of.

There were over 17,500 people in the arena ... do you think that it was only those 2 that were giving Hess a hard time? If he booted everyone out that was yelling "You suck" he would have probably had to remove half of the crowd!

He booted these two for a reason. Look at where they are seated — right behind the scorer's table. I'm confident they were interfering with the table and being way over the top. Why else would Hess kick them out? I can tell you he wouldn't.

When you are making that much money per game, you don't go in trying to look for things to create controversy. You go in, make the calls, and get out.

There is no way that he is stopping a game of this caliber, on TV, to wait to have these two guys ejected without a damn good reason.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Brad

There is no way that he is stopping a game of this caliber, on TV, to wait to have these two guys ejected without a damn good reason.

This statement is at the very core of the whole argument in this thread. If you don't accept this as a fact, then you will forever believe that Hess did something wrong or uncalled for.

Anybody who has ever officiated beyond kiddie rec or has ANY knowledge of what it takes to become an official of Hess' stature will likely accept this fact. Those that don't...well...I would tend to lump them into the rabid fan or media talking head school of thought/mentality.

[asdf]

Now Gottfried is getting on on the act....

ACC Now - Gottfried calls ACC reprimand 'weak' at student rally | newsobserver.com blogs

Talk about "weak".....

According to him you cannot eject NC State "greats" or ACC "greats".

Clowns..... Yow, Gottfried, Gugliotta, Corchini......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

The power to eject unruly fans is not one to be used lightly. Hess has that right, but not without the responsibility to explain himself."

When I read on this board that officials like Hess can do this "because they can", really turns my stomach and think that it's that type of attitude that continues to widen the divide between officials and coaches/fans.

Note to those that may try and paint me as a traitor or someone that has no clue: I do not condone profanity or vulgar assaults or anything else that would deemed a personal attack against any official.

The comment came from me about "Because he can." I said that because any of us can eject a fan when we feel necessary and just like anything in life people will have something to say about it. Not all of us have the same background or deem the same things as offensive, vulgar or even profane. And someone at his level officiating I am sure is not making a decision without a lot of things in mind that neither you or I would ever know was going through their mind. Hess has been on TV and has been under much more scrutiny than any of us have ever had to deal with. Heck most of us officiate games and never hear a thing about a call we make other than from the coach that did not like the call at the time. How many of us have to hear from our supervisors a day after the game or ask us to file a report after ever game? Probably not many of us have had to do that in our careers at all.

Peace